Always (sanitary towells) forced to remove Venus logo

Posted this on the other smaller thread not realising this one was here.

Interestingly though this is one of those mass peak trans moments. On my FB I have a number of gaming friends and this sparked a conversation. I have responded and may well be deleted or told off but right now there has been far more interest shown in my point of view than in the other side ... so while I won't be buying Always again it was nice of them to do this so we can all talk about the crazy manipulation of corporations and products going on in the brave new gender world.

I also posted Julie Bindel's Telegraph article and I'm surprised (they asked for the text) because these are younger women and I got the impression they were dying to say something and my being open unleashed some pent up irritation and anger. So thanks Always because this is a pretty woke crowd you are peaking.

Someone's started another thread, not sure if this one has a link to Bindel writing in the telegraph? Paywalled, unfortunately.

www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/caving-trans-activists-always-have-eliminated-women/

Just read about this on Huffpost

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/always-ditches-feminine-symbol_uk_5dad6952e4b0f34e3a788e95

I just had to laugh at the tags at the bottom of the article. It's tagged Women, Women's Health, Periods, Trans, Non-binary

So what is Women's Health , if a woman is anybody that wants to be, then these words have no meaning.

That’s a feminist then...

Anyhoo - Always Never actually got back to me! ‘Take the customer satisfaction surgery to tell us how brilliant our customer services is.’ Ok then...

I'm not a feminist by any means....I am a woman who feels that woman are being erased.

I will NEVER buy ALWAYS again, and nor will my teenage daughters.

I'm now period-free (yay post menopause I'm FREEEE) but I'd have bought Star Wars theme packaged sanpro.

Remember in the old day on here when someone would come on and say it get so jealous when I see pregnant women - I can’t be around them’ - and everyone would say ‘that’s a shame - but get a bloody grip woman!’.

The good old days. Now it’s ‘let’s all pretend not to be pregnant or talk about babies in case someone gets upset’.

So many different products to boycott though - anyone recommend a substitute for Head and Shoulders? And I really liked Fairy dishwashing stuff - however, no more.

www.pg.co.uk/brands/

They can rebrand as 'Never' because that's how often I'll buy these.

Honestly if some people’s sense of emotional equilibrium is so bad that they find a signifier for women on a pack of Always sanitary towels upsetting, then I can’t imagine how they manage to watch TV, look at other people in the street, go to an art gallery, read a book which says the word ‘woman’ in it, catch a bus (which might have adverts on) or hold down a job that they aren’t entirely in control of what they have to do. It must be awful.

Serious emotional problems need to be talked through at length with a professional. It would not be possible to erase women symbols from the world anyway, but even if it was, why would anyone seriously expect that will make them feel better?

Censorship isn’t a medical treatment.

It's means nothing to me

Ah Vienna.

Well, I'm going to hoick up my judgey pants and point out that if TM were being ecologically friendly and using mooncups or reusable pads this wouldn't be an issue.

Twenty seconds on Google image search suggests there is currently a gap in the market for reusable pads in an array of sludge colours and monster truck patterns. Some enterprising young person could make a fortune.

My new ones are plain with daisys on the box Chemical and smelly free. Organic and vegan, no plastic. Gives money to charities. Company set up by a woman. Says woman in the website.

I’ll let you know how I get on (fellow ‘The Shining’ period ensurers).

Just checked mine and dds towels

Mine has flowers and dds have circles and triangles

Its been nagging at me all weekend

If only Always would sponsor McKinnon, we'd have this circus fixed by lunchtime.

Now that I need to see!

'Always - whatever your cycle or 'gender' '

Wish I’d screen shotted the As by a tampon company for a trans solidarity promo. Trans woman in a ladies loo (basket of sanpro on the counter). Ummmm why not a trans man?

Today, two of my FB friends, who have never before made a gc comment

Me too. A young woman I know who has never once commented on anything GC I have said. She shared the link to her friend who replied with an eyeroll and "FFS!"

If only Always would sponsor McKinnon, we'd have this circus fixed by lunchtime.

First Flora now Always. Why do they care so little about women, their main customers? Plenty of other brands are available and it's easy to switch.

Meh, their loss. A weird business decision but there you go.

Haha. Today, two of my FB friends, who have never before made a gc comment, have posted their anger at Always because of this, and say they'll boycott the brand! Peak trans! I liked both posts, outing myself, I suppose. I can't share, though-- not yet.

Traceyracer I may be playing devil's advocate a little but come on, all that should matter is whether the product is good at doing its job or not.

There are things to get angry about, IMO this isn't one of them.

Perhaps you could advise the board of what is acceptable in your opinion to complain about then? As a pp said, this is not just one single thing in isolation, it is one of dozens, hundreds, of single things all mounting up.

I don't even use pads but I am annoyed by it and will certainly not be using other P&G products again. They don't want my custom? So be it.

If transwomen contacted Always saying they want the venus symbol on the packaging since it re-affirms their identity, who would P&G listen to?

Why couldn't Always have simply provided a small percentage of their products in different packaging that wouldn't upset a tiny minority of users? And kept the reality-based packaging for the majority? = Everyone catered for.

Indeed. Plain packaging. Adult feminine packaging, teen packaging, star-wars packaging, support a good cause packaging, environmentally friendly packaging. The list is long with opportunities for profit.

So honestly P&G Why get rid of the packaging with a female symbol on?

Is it the same reason that you won't manufacture non-scented towels?

mon

Yep...also moving

In the direction of bed in my case

If men want periods they are welcome to them!

I have been thinking about this one (I know this is really about trans that were born a woman BTW) but if men really want to be a women I suggest something to give the pain for 7 days this should be offered along side standard treatments.

Apologies...i can see posters are moving on so thats all good

Yep, everyone is definitely moving on...😆