Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The most ridiculous demand from TRAs I have heard recently

32 replies

TwatticusFinch · 20/10/2019 09:29

There's a podcast that I like called By the Book. The hosts live by the rules of a different self-help book every couple of weeks. It's usually pretty amusing although the hosts are a bit too woke and will use the term "c*s" when describing women which I find offensive.

In ep 85 the book they were doing (The Body is Not an Apology) required them to appreciate lots of different types of people's bodies. So one of the hosts, Kristen, was in the park describing what she could see in front of her.

Look at that cute little guy walking slowly and deliberately with his tiny little dog. His dog looks just like him actually. And over there, those two runners together, they look really fit, like extremely so, like Olympians. And oh those women I don't know what they're doing it looks like some kind of cross-fit thing but they look very, very, very strong.

So completely inoffensive you would think, but no. In a follow-up episode ep 99 they said this:

Kristen: So a couple of people wrote into me a few weeks after that episode aired and they said they didn't like the scene in the episode where I was observing diverse bodies in the park. I'm not sure if you remember this but...
Jolenta: I do.
Kristen: Yeah I said things like "Look at those strong, fierce women exercising. Look at that older man walking at a fast pace. He walks so much faster than me." I don't know if you remember but I was saying things like that. So a couple people wrote in and said "Kristen, you should never call somebody a woman or a man unless they give you permission to do that. Just because somebody is female-presenting or male-presenting doesn't mean they identify as female or male. And so, please don't ever call somebody a woman or a man again unless they give you permission first." So that's something I've been keeping in my mind. So thank you folks who wrote in."

Ugh. WTF is this? She was talking about anonymous strangers and presumably out of their earshot but she might have misgendered them? She should have gone up to them and asked if they didn't mind her describing them as a "man"/"women" on the audio diary she was recording? And then this is something she's taking seriously and is going to try to do. I am sure that it comes from a place of wanting not to offend anyone and be supportive, but this is madness now. We need to say no to this idiocy.

OP posts:
EverardDigby · 20/10/2019 10:08

The Nature Fix was one that someone complained about where they said it was difficult for poor people to get out into the country (which it might be for some, and I get that there are issues about racism in rural areas too) but then "poor" people said hang on a minute, some of us live here and/or we are more likely to take a cheap camping break than go to a flash resort or a hotel in the city. I also think going on about it can also reinforce the message that "this is not for you" and "we're just pointing out yet again that you are disadvantaged".

iklboo · 20/10/2019 10:00

They're not going to be happy until everyone is referred to as 'a carbon-based life form'.

Mind you, that would probably offend someone who identifies as silicon based.

TwatticusFinch · 20/10/2019 09:59

I think it was at the point that they were talking about (and I paraphrase slightly) self-care being racist because a load of white women were doing it.

Yeah, this frustrates me too. I sort of get the point that some books might tell you to do X to make you happy, but not everyone is going to be able to do X because of lack of money, lack of time due to caring responsibilities, lack of access due to disability etc. But then should we not have any suggestions of ways you can make yourself happier unless absolutely everyone can do it?

Eg I'm interested in reading the Nature Fix which they reviewed and is about the benefits of getting out into the country/camping etc. Realistically, I don't think I'll be able to put it into practice any time soon with as I have a baby, but that doesn't mean it's not valid advice for those who can, and one day I might be able to do it.

OP posts:
testing987654321 · 20/10/2019 09:54

So how do they propose a person describing the people they can see in the park? It will lose so much information.

Look at that cute little person walking slowly and deliberately with a tiny little dog. The dog looks just like the person actually. And over there, those two runners together, they look really fit, like extremely so, like Olympians. And oh those people I don't know what they're doing it looks like some kind of cross-fit thing but they look very, very, very strong.

EverardDigby · 20/10/2019 09:44

I gave up listening to this a while ago because of the wokeness (as a working class bisexual woman). I think it was at the point that they were talking about (and I paraphrase slightly) self-care being racist because a load of white women were doing it. My point was that blanketing something as all this or that invisiblised those of us that might not be privileged who were there doing these things but got over-looked. Of course there are structural inequalities, but we don't fall neatly into boxes as individuals. I got fed up of hearing about all the things my working class family is apparently too disadvantaged to do from two women in the media who clearly have more opportunities and choices than most of my family.

MonsteraCheeseplant · 20/10/2019 09:39

What amazes me most, is the try hard allies who unthinkingly accept such ridiculousness. Surely, surely they see that it's bollocks???

BuffaloCauliflower · 20/10/2019 09:33

Oh FFS. This is beyond ridiculous now. Are we allowed to call a cat a cat, or a dog a dog? A human female and a human male are biological facts!