Yoga with Adriene - Redo of PMS Video

Like I said, tequila, best we just draw a line under it - I'm not saying the things you think I'm saying. I'm fanatical about yoga, and think most people, if not everyone, would benefit from it.

I think it's odd to feel "excluded" by something merely because it is no longer gender specific. The original video is still accessible.

There are plenty of instances where I think including transwomen in women's spaces is potentially problematic (shared toilets etc). This really isn't one of them.

zebrasdontwearbras

I told you repeatedly that I don't want to do that. That's why we disagreed, because you presume to know best about me.

I looked at the YouTube video posted by Lamaha - there is zero difference to the class that I do at my local gym other than the chanting that the instructor does. He doesn't instruct on breathing, or linking mid and body with the breath, he simply calls out the next move so I'm not sure why it's so superior?

Anyway, maybe you should accept that people can decide for themselves what is best for them and not presume that you know better than they do?

I’m just fed up with the constant onslaught against women specific resources. It’s correct that it’s her only women specific video, so the people that felt excluded by one word in it instead of accessing all the rest of the content? 🤷‍♀️

I think this is a little ironic - given that you and others have said you feel excluded by her changing the wording. Perhaps then you can empathise with people who felt excluded by the original wording?

It wasn't me that said you couldn't it, tequila, you're mixing me up with a different poster. I told you to carry on doing it, but take it further - to maybe reap the benefits that Lamaha has gained. That's not saying who can do it. You're taking my posts wrongly, because we disagree on the trans politics.

Came across that way with the insistence of who can do it and what is and isn't proper yoga and how to do it properly.

I agree I don't own yoga. I never said I did.

zebrasdontwearbras

I agree which is why it's probably best to not apply your own rules onto someone else.

I'll practice yoga in the way that I want and in the way that helps me. You do you.

I don't think it's particularly helpful to be telling other people that they're doing it wrong to be honest. You don't own yoga.

I don't think we actually have a meeting of the minds here, Tequila and we don't really seem to agree on much, so I think I'll draw a line under this discussion rather than derail the thread - you have totally misunderstood what I have been trying to say about yoga and the mind/body. It isn't "not trying" though, just so you know. Yoga is journey.

Acceptance means accepting the things you can't change and working on the things you can change - only you know what those thing are in your life.

This could apply to people who want to feel a certain way about their identity. Only they know what that is and how yoga helps them to do it.

Acceptance means accepting the things you can't change and working on the things you can change - only you know what those thing are in your life.

I'll not know what I can't change unless I try will I? Accepting means stop trying.

If I had accepted 10 years ago I wouldn't have tried doing exercise and would be much worse than I am now.

Accepting would have meant relying on mindfulness (which is all that the NHS offered) rather than having surgery privately to greatly improve one problem but I only discovered that by not accepting.

I won't ever be accepting. I will always be fighting to improve.

Acceptance means accepting the things you can't change and working on the things you can change - only you know what those thing are in your life.

Which is why yoga is so good as a mind/body experience - balancing mind and body.

I mean your body is your body - surely gaining an acceptance of it is part of life.

Why? What does acceptance mean? Not trying to change it? Live with it as it is?

No. I can't accept that the rest of my life is going to be like this.

Well it was kindly meant, Tequila. I mean your body is your body - surely gaining an acceptance of it is part of life.

An acceptance of your physical body,

I don't want to accept my physical body. It's broken, faulty, it lets me down constantly. I don't want to accept that.

As for spirituality - no thanks, that's not for me.

Pilates nobody said you shouldn't do yoga only for the physical benefit.

Think you'll find that they did on the previous page. Anyway, I'm glad you've got so much out of it. For me, I don't want, and will never, accept my body. It's only my non acceptance of it that keeps me moving forward. Accepting means accepting it's limitations and I'm not going to do that. I will forever push to fix it, to get better. I'm not just going to accept it because that's giving in.

Tequila I don't think you should give up yoga - but from what you've said here, I think you could get a whole lot more out of it which would be beneficial to you. An acceptance of your physical body, a truly spiritual experience and acceptance, and a balance between your mind and your body. I hope you do! Good luck.

It bothers me not one iota. I know the health benefits that it gives me and I don't intend to give it up because you don't consider me to be spiritual enough. Tbh, unless you are all Hindu are you actually doing authentic yoga?

Person’s journey that is not random apostrophe

Yes they are buzzwords but I couldn’t think of any other and just posted instead

But how can people be prescriptive over what others do yoga for or should feel when they do? Ok maybe a purist will say I can for the former but the latter? Yoga is such a personal ‘journey’ that shouldn’t it accept each and every person’s

Thank you for posting that, Zebra !
Pilates nobody said you shouldn't do yoga only for the physical benefit. Just that it's wonderful when one can really, truly get past hating and destroying one's own body and feel at home in it!
As a teenager I had an eating disorder; I was fat, felt ugly, hated my body; I drank, I smoked, and was desperately unhappy with myself. When I started yoga I stopped drinking and smoking overnight, and ina few weeks I'd lost all my excess weight. Can you understand why I wish everyone could get the full benefit?
Yet what you do is surely better than nothing. Good luck!

So not really a question of being "inclusive" or "exclusive" - those buzz words of our time - but more a personal journey of balancing mind and body. Perhaps it would be good for people who do genuinely feel a 'mismatch' between mind and body, but not necessarily to affirm a gender identity that is at odds with the physical body. More to help acceptance of the physical body.

This thread has driven me to google 'yoga'. Mumsnet can do this to me while cooking

So: the dictionary definition: "a Hindu spiritual and ascetic discipline, a part of which, including breath control, simple meditation, and the adoption of specific bodily postures, is widely practised for health and relaxation."
An actual Yoga site, however, describes it as this:

"Yoga is a Sanskrit word derived from the Sanskrit root “yuj” which means to connect, join or balance.
The most important thing, however, is that Yoga – with its entire applications and implications – is a powerful means to an end. The ultimate end of all human pursuits is “Moksha.” Moksha is freedom from all bondage; freedom from insecurities; freedom from the clutches of desires; freedom from the sense of limitations and inadequacy; freedom from all that thwarts us on our divine journey in life. In other words, the end of all human pursuits is everlasting peace, happiness and a sense of fulfillment. This is possible with steady and prolonged sincere practice of Yoga. It activates a process of cleansing and purification of mind, which in turn, prepares us for the dawning of Self-knowledge. Yoga means this connection; this knowledge that removes the impurities and the veil of ignorance that keeps us strangers to ourselves.

Yoga should never be mistaken for any other mode of exercise, which is operational only on a physical level."

So very supportive of what Lamaha says. My own yoga teacher is much like Lamaha describes - she calls yoga her religion, and is very much into the mind/body aspect.

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