Yoga with Adriene - Redo of PMS Video

Agreed. One of the reasons i loved her videos until today is that she had such an awareness of anatomy. I get sciatica a lot so that was essential.

However, if she genuinely believes there's a sector of non-women who menstruate she loses all credibility in my eyes. It may be that some of the emails she received were threatening or intimidating but sorry Ade, you'll have to stand your ground like the rest of us sooner or later. These people don't stop after you capitulate to them.

And that also pushes it to the wire.

Is this a harmless thing about inclusion, recognition, acknowledging the reality of people/people's right to identify themselves?
In which case 'and' does the job just great.

Or is this about acknowledging the existence of biological females is so threatening to a political ideology that it (and biological females with it) has to be pushed under the rug?

I agree, Quarter

But if biologically female people are so distressed by having to acknowledge the reality of their sex that they are politically strangling the reality of the entire female half of the human race out of sight then I am happier to go for the highly irritating linguistic hoops to say women AND than I am for biological females to be vanished.

Compromise. Meeting everyone's needs. Balancing needs. Actual inclusion as opposed to women-hating erasure.

I don’t find Women and a comprehensible use of language. Anyone who menstruates is doing so as a function of their female biology. They are definitively, biologically women. Regardless of what they think/feel/present or want other people to acknowledge.

If she has both up then that’s fine for me

Anything, anywhere, labelled as being specifically for women, will get piled on by messages from folks pointing out how excluded they are by language that centres women. Because this is the point: they want women decentered. They want women erased, covered up, hidden away, put into a group where biological females can't be a recognised class, that is the end game. Every facility or group everywhere (including medical, illness and disability support groups for illnesses occurring in biological females only) have been targeted to erase their language and ensure females as a biological class are shoved deep into the closet. It isn't innocent. It isn't inclusive.

Women AND people experiencing periods. Women AND folk who menstruate. Women AND those experiencing menopause. Pick whatever flaming language you want for the 'and' bit, but half the fucking human race is born with female biology and have fought for centuries to be able to talk about it. It's been thrown away for less than 1% of the population who range from spectacularly egocentric to actively and aggressively misogynistic.

Inclusion is not inclusion when it excludes biological females.

I got a reply from her, didn’t think she would have seen my message. Not sure what to reply really. There was more to my message at the start.

I imagine she's under pressure from advertisers. Why else would she suddenly do this 3 years after mosts sane women reached Peaktrans? Lots of her early videos are a bit dodgy one way or another but she leaves those up for all to see

I've just seen this email too and came here to see if there was a thread about it. I think I feel sad that this ideology is so pervasive and confused that it's seen as progressive.

I just read it too. I'm so disappointed.

Why just give women away, why not say, this is for women, because it is.

And here's the thing, women are literally going to search on YT for women's yoga for cramping or PMS, it's just virtue signalling, and deleting 50% of the people for less than 1%.

Women have worked so hard for years to be able to talk openly about women's issues, and just like that, we're now not even allowed to say they are women's issues any more.

I went to a meeting for Endometriosis, and it was so refreshing, it was continually said how it's a women's problem and disease, and it was so totally about women, and we were all women in the hall. However, it won't be long before they silence them from saying it's about women.

And it's seen as progressive to remove women from the conversation. It's so saddening. I always liked Adriene, she helped so much as I've been so ill, her video's helped me regain activity.
Why?

*Shame.

But yes it's a snake that woman is a dirty word.

I know women who run red tents are feeling increasing pressure to change their language.

I absolutely don't doubt that yoga is wonderful for health and mind, and can help cramps etc, but I've never had period pains and only started yoga at around age 33.

Some women just don't get them.

Didn't really get much chance to experience labour; I personally didn't find it painful to 4cm; more very strong pressure. I do think yoga helped cope as far as I got, if I could have got into various positions it would have helped more but Ds was poorly so monitoring lying in one position and then emcs then Elcs with number 2.

Haven't done any Adrienne but many have recommended it. Not great for hyper mobility though so I don't do it regularly anymore.

Oh no! Adriene if you're reading this I'm unsubcribing from your service and finding a new online yogi. You're the last person I ever wanted to boycott btw but this is the world we're living in.

@Lamahaha Ah brilliant! I'll give it a go once the baby is asleep. Thank you 😊

@uponmytiptoes This seems good. This is where my daughter did her Yoga teacher training course. She now teaches in Northern Irelend.

A link to the excellent book, Yoga and Health. mentioned in my lasy post. It was out of print for a long time, and I see now it has been reprinted in paperback.

www.amazon.com/product-reviews/0060802499/ref=acr_dp_hist_5?filterByStar=five_star&reviewerType=all_reviews&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&ie=UTF8#reviews-filter-bar

@Lamahaha I know you said you go to India to learn yoga techniques but do you know of any online tutorials that are worth following? I've never been able to get yoga to work for me, maybe I've just not found the right teachers.

(sorry to be off topic everyone)

Lamahaha - I live pretty much in the sticks, and I'd never find a truly authentic traditional yoga teacher round here. I'm wondering if there is such a thing as a YouTube one who isn't so westernised and new-agey...

I'm not up to date with Yoga YouTube videos, though my daughter, a qualified Yoga teacher, has contemplated doing one. She got her training at a Sivananda centre in India -- they are excellent; I did a refresher course in India at one of their centres two years ago. It's worth it, if at all possible, too take one of their courses; they are not expensive and very good.

In the beginning I had an Indian teacher and as well I taught myself with a book called Yoga and Health, by Selvarajan Yesudian. So that was my original method.

And, just having googled him, I see there are a number of YouTubes with his teaching ---- he was practically the very first Yoga teacher who ever came to the West, in 1934, I think. I haven't checked the videos, but they should be good.

I've never done Yoga for specific female problems, because I've never had specific female problems.

I have never had PMS. Never had period pains, not once. My two births were straighforward and manageable -- painful, but uncomplicated, vaginal births without painkillers, and breastfed children without complications.

For the first birth, I did have a problem, a loose cervix, which could have been managed naturally if my then gynecologist had not orderd a cerclage and then pumper me full of medication.

I had virtually no symptoms going through menopause -- no hot flushes or any of the other typical symptoms. My periods simply stopped, and life continued as before.

I say this not to boast, but to simply relate the facts, as I believe this is all down to Yoga, which really does bring all aspects of our being miraculously into harmony, if practiced with diligence. The idea being that good health, physical and mental, is our natural state, and can be regained with a little effort.

I do fear that the woke young women will try to press their woke agenda into Yoga, and this might be just the beginning. After all, most people doing Yoga are young women with a very hip outlook... yep, I'm very wary.

#nationalperiodday is such a dispiriting read.
twitter.com/A_Silent_Child/status/1185731888968654848?s=19

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So what is yoga specifically for periods then? As opposed to yoga that eases abdominal muscles, releases endorphins etc?

I've just done an Adriene yoga session this morning. I guess I'm not that surprised to hear this - she does seem like the kind of person who'd be pretty woke.

Lamahaha - I live pretty much in the sticks, and I'd never find a truly authentic traditional yoga teacher round here. I'm wondering if there is such a thing as a YouTube one who isn't so westernised and new-agey...

I also can't really see how yoga exercises can be specifically for periods - you don't do it with your uterus.
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Yeah maybe she should have rebranded it as a video for all types of abdominal pain. But from what I can gather, she hasn't. If she says it's for periods then it's for women. Because, irrespective of how you identify, it's women who have periods. Biology. This really should not be contentious.

Anyway I have no intention of spending the next 40 pages repeating myself to you. Good day.

I also can't really see how yoga exercises can be specifically for periods - you don't do it with your uterus.

Wins the internet for stupidest thing I've read on Mumsnet ever.