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Should transgender women be allowed to play women's sports?

229 replies

andyoldlabour · 17/10/2019 15:41

Well, obviously we have pretty much one set of views on that, but this video from the US shows both sets of views, and intelligence wise I know which side I am supporting.

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HorseWithNoFucksToGive · 18/10/2019 11:17

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JoyceJeffries · 18/10/2019 11:17

Trans women are women = body of Christ.

I was brought up a Catholic but am now an atheist. Chanting nonsense doesn’t make it true. It just means you are chanting nonsense.

Waterl00 · 18/10/2019 11:16

No one is after your rights except straight white men.

We do indeed know who is after our rights as most "transwomen" in the UK attempting to remove women's rights are indeed stright white men as you so kindly point out. It appears we have more in common than you thought you arl bat. ;)

YouJustDoYou · 18/10/2019 11:15

Leave them alone. No one is after your rights except straight white men. Know your enemy. It is not the trans community. You all bring shame on real feminists

You. Are. Not. Conprehending. Any. Of. This.

Women have a RIGHT to feel SAFE. Not all of us feel safe seeing a male bodied person walk into our changing rooms, or our toilets. Ever been raped toffee apple? Ever been sexually abused? Punched multiple times? Physically abused by men? No doubt youll chime in "yes but im totally fine!", well fucking slow clap for you, not all of us are. PTSD and innate fear of men or anyone with a fucking penis doesn't always follow logic. We deserve to feel SAFE. They might not be there to hurt us, but our feelings shouldn't be shoved aside, as they always have done for all of history, so that men have their way, that men's feelings get put before all others.

neverornow · 18/10/2019 11:15

No

JoyceJeffries · 18/10/2019 11:15

So women should budge up, shut up, lose our rights, our dignity because men (as a class) are violent?

What a load of fucking horse shit.

ErrolTheDragon · 18/10/2019 11:15

transwomen are women.

And you are defining 'women' how, exactly?
How is a person who has been through male puberty and has male physique in any way a woman in the context of women's sports? Do you not understand the difference between sex and gender?

ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 18/10/2019 11:15

We have male and female sports for a reason

Absolutely. The physiological differences between men and women are enormous and no amount of artificial hormones or surgeries changes that one iota.

Men have not only greater testosterone levels but greater muscle mass, bone density (which is protected by taking oestrogen), stronger ligaments, greater lung capacity and oxygenation rates, larger hearts, massively greater grip strength. I could go on, but all decent people understand that XY people have insurmountable physical advantages over women that render their barging into women's sport a far more egregious form of cheating than any performance enhancing drug.

GrouchyKiwi · 18/10/2019 11:14

Most people learn as children that repeating something over and over again doesn't make it true.

ToffeeApple24 · 18/10/2019 11:14

Trans women are women

willloman · 18/10/2019 11:13

No

ToffeeApple24 · 18/10/2019 11:13

I didn't say women are responsible for what men do

However, this vile spew of hatred causes violence against the trans community. Whether that hatred comes from men or women. You are culpable.

GrouchyKiwi · 18/10/2019 11:12

Stating that transwomen - who are biologically male - should not take part in women's sport doesn't deny their existence.

People always use this argument, as if that's what the issue is. You're deflecting from the actual problem to make it seem like people who support sex segregation in sport are just bigots. It's utterly disingenuous.

ToffeeApple24 · 18/10/2019 11:12

@michelleoftheresistance transwomen are women

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 18/10/2019 11:12

‘You mad arl bats’ 🙄

Michelleoftheresistance · 18/10/2019 11:11

If your feminism doesn't centre women then it isn't actually feminism at all, love.

Thanks for the demo of ageism and disablism on top of the misogyny and sexism, all of which are always so visible from people representing this side of the debate.

ToffeeApple24 · 18/10/2019 11:11

@YouJustDoYou transwomen are women.

YouJustDoYou · 18/10/2019 11:10

your attitudes allow this stuff (murder of mtf transwomen) to go on. Just keep your opinions to yourself. Your male partner is a bigger threat to you than a trans woman

Yes, it's all women's fault as usual that men are the ones who kills transgender women. How dare we try and speak up for our fellow females? We should all just shut up and let men do whatever they want. #sarcasm btw.

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Oliversmumsarmy · 18/10/2019 11:08

We have male and female sports for a reason.

You can do any number of outer body modifications but your internals are still male or female.

Michelleoftheresistance · 18/10/2019 11:07

You seem perfectly happy to disagree with women's right to existence as a sex class, their right to sporting classes, their equal right to identify themselves - you are in fact insisting that women (and you do mean people born with XX chromosomes, you're quite clear on who has to be the obedient/submissive women and who are the women you want prioritised, you see the difference just fine) surrender their rights and needs to wholly prioritise people born male.

This is nothing more than massive sexism.

Women wanting to retain their sex based rights have absolutely nothing to do with that tragic list you shared, and it would be just as easy to pull up the equally tragic lists of women who are killed at a rate of 3 a week in the UK alone. There are solutions that meet everyone's needs, the trampling of women as a sex class is not a just or necessary measure. The right to freedom of belief is also a human right.

Waterl00 · 18/10/2019 11:06

You don't get to choose to disgaree with peoples' existence.

Of course we do. If you get to show up here disagreeing with the existence of female as a category that excludes males then cleary we have the reciprocal choice to disagree with you.

Do try to be less intolerant of other peoples opions.

sue51 · 18/10/2019 11:05

No. I am the mother of a rugby playing woman and the thought of her being tackled by a male bodied opponent fills me fear.

aliasundercover · 18/10/2019 11:04

Just keep your opinions to yourself

Women! Know your limits! Don't worry your pretty little head about things that concern you - leave the men to sort it out.