Trans chat

Apologies

Ive put question marks there and they aren’t really questions, as i already know the answer

Can we move on now? It's derailing the conversation and if we have to make more deletions, we may have to consider taking this thread down

So stop talking about it or we delete the thread...

And no derailing...what? ever?

Sometimes, piss-taking is all that's left

Yes. Humour bypasses are common among the gender devout.

'Men are afraid that women will laugh at them....' (I won't mention the second part though because it features the word k*ll).

As it happens, my personal views on trans rights are very mixed, I don't wholly ascribe to either side of it,

Yes well, I strongly suspect your mixed views suddenly arose after reading a few replies and realising that actually, there might be something to this women's rights being in danger malarkey.

There IS no counter argument. Be nice is not a counter argument.

Testing, testing...

yawn

I await results with bated breath.

Sorry, MNHQ! Sometimes, piss-taking is all that's left. Even a newbie like me knows that.

Teenage DD tells me to kill myself approximately every other day.

Just wondering OP, if you have mixed views, what happened when you went on a Trans forum and asked them to stop threatening to kill women?

I will take a punt that this never happened

It was all so predictable wasn't it, following the Flora thing.

Now it'll be "Mumsnet users tell people to kill themselves" - when we absolutely don't. Yet, on platforms like Twitter & FB people routinely really tell others to "kys" with impunity.

As it happens, my personal views on trans rights are very mixed, I don't wholly ascribe to either side of it,

Just wondering OP, if you have mixed views, what happened when you went on a Trans forum and asked them to stop threatening to kill women?

@MNHQ
And so no one told anyone to kill themselves?
That's a pretty bald accusation to let stand without sanction isn't it?

Tbf, you could always get deleted for telling someone to fuck off. That's a standard personal attack. That's the very reason for ODFOD.

Threads get derailed every single day. By those who wish to silence us and use the cowardly Twitter tricks of reporting, threats, doxxing, diversion. Come on MN you're better than this aren't you?

The thread about the plans to make school toilets mixed sex the other day had one obvious derailer.

Many of us referred to the derailing as the poster desperately tried to divert the conversation.

We're being set up MN. Predictible tactics.

Errol the problem with those notices is they make it irresistible.

You know those notices they have at airport security about not making jokes about guns or bombs? It's a bit like that. (Except in that case, there is a possibility of real harm, of course.)

Can't even tell someone to fuck off now

Not usually such sensitive souls around here.

Yes, I experienced the OP’s posts as a personal attack

An inarticulate, rambling, incoherent attack, but still an attack

You're damned if you keep this thread up - removing take a long walk off a short pier as a personal attack. Really?

You're damned if you take it down - it's already been posted on twitter by Britain's biggest lover of Flora, with a comment about it being removed.

Sword of Damocles his hanging over your head @MNHQ Disclaimer - I'm not holding or threatening to hold a literal sword over your head

It' not derailing - it's highlighting the hyperbole used to attack the FWR board with.

From the OP Being trans isn't something anyone takes lightly, or lives lightly either. It's is not mental illness, it is not an excuse to abuse children, it is not a passing fad. It is bloody hard on those who find themselves in that situation, and this sort of hate-fest of ignorance and accusation only makes their lives even harder.

I found this to be a personal attack. It came just after I'd been posting about my daughter's experience of being transgender on a thread that was subsequently deleted. For my daughter it was a 'phase' more than a fad and was exacerbated by mental illness. It was a fucking awful 4 years. We had self-harm, suicide attempts, bulimia, plus a lot more.

People need to take their fingers out of their ears (this is an idiom, their fingers are not really in their ears) and actually listen to stories (a factual one not a fiction) like my daughter's. I know the responses it;
she she wasn't gender dysphoric, just gender non-conforming.
you're such a bigot, he's so frightened by you he's unable to be his true authentic self.
as soon as she's out of your evil clutches she'll re-transition.
blah, blah, blah.

I post regularly on Twitter and in order to avoid permanent banning (Twitter tends to judge GC posters much more harshly than anyone else), I have to scrutinise everything I post several times before I press submit.

It's because people are scrutinising what we post in order to get us banned, you see.

Being trans isn't something anyone takes lightly, or lives lightly either. It's is not mental illness, it is not an excuse to abuse children, it is not a passing fad

The thing is being trans, or being non-binary ( the latest addition to the long list of gender identities) is a bit of a fad; and something which quite a number do seem to take quite lightly. That is because it forms part of a popular trend which seeks to frame certain personality characteristics as being somehow unusual or out of the box.

And for some people 'being trans' is a mental illness; or at least an inability to deal with personal dissonance and feelings about the self in a more integrated way. Also for quite a large number of men, transvestitism and fetish is now being re-framed as 'trans'.

Then we have the young lesbians and gay youth who feel that they have to come out as trans in order to explain who they are and how they feel, and because being a lesbian is contrary to being cool or socially accepted these days.

We deleted a post as a personal attack..

"A" post?

More sarcasm?

I for one, would like to see this thread stay. Despite all the deletions. Most of the deleted posts are from regulars and people can make up their own minds. It's quite clear how one-sided this debate is, and this thread amplifies it. Let's try and keep it.

It was probably an ill advised use of this idiom, as someone unfamiliar with it could easily translate as ill intentioned.Telling someone to take a long walk along a short pier is likely to be taken as a personal affront. However, The OP did come in quite heavy handedly in the first instance - making accusations and generalisations, which were bound to provoke a response.

This thread seems to have run its course, and is likely to be deleted soon.

Nice. Concerns about the very real risks to women and medicalisation of children (who are very unlikely to be gillick competent) is framed as bitter hatred now is it. I suggest you have a lot more learning and understanding to do. Until then. Jog on.