Trans chat

It's quite difficult to engage, when the OP box off and never returns.

I'd still like my question answered, though. As a hard-bitten feminist, how does she interpret gender.

Because it's quite key...

I reckon she left her lappie open and her super woke kids have hiwoked her account, pesky kids!

Why say femininity, then, which has a very specific meaning? Rather than us speculating I would like OP to explain what she meant and why she chose that particular word.

If OP does return I'm also curious as to why feminists would in her opinion feel that our femininity was threatened by trans people. Which is a question with multiple layers, really, and I'd be interested to see if she understands why

I suspect she means that our real life womanhood is not threatened by the identity of a trans woman, or something like that. Except that misses the point quite spectacularly......because we are all quite secure in our womanhood - for the reason we are women ( those of us that are). We know what it means to be in a female body, and to live life in ours society as biological females, and as women and girls.

The point that is missed is that you cannot magically think yourself into being a woman; a female - you either are or you are not. What we make of ourselves and the way deal with our situations is as variable as there are people/individuals. But we all share a common thread - and that is our femaleness/our sexed bodies. This is not superficial: just a matter of superficial characteristics, behaviours, dress or 'gendered' behaviours........but a common position in a sexist society.

And males, no matter how they identify remain male in oh so many ways - some more obvious, some more subtle.

Biology matters.

Perhaps OP has read the Trans Widows threads here and realised a truth?

I'd be interested to see if she understands why.

Or if it's just parroting without understanding what things mean?

If OP does return I'm also curious as to why feminists would in her opinion feel that our femininity was threatened by trans people. Which is a question with multiple layers, really, and I'd be interested to see if she understands why.

Can'y we move on.... and discuss the issues the OP brought up......this regurgitation of grievances is just pointless and will do nothing except get the thread deleted.

Now wondering if I can use the following water-related sayings or if they will be interpreted as 'swimming with fishes'.

'It's just a drop in the ocean'
'It's sink or swim'
'Taking the plunge'
'Jumping ship'

Make no mistake, I am an old school, campaigning, hard-bitten feminist, and have been since before half the people on here were born

You never did respond to my post in which I asked what it was that you felt made you 'hard-bitten'? I'm certainly not hard bitten, as I've not lost my capacity for compassion and empathy - and do not consider myself battle weary, either.

You also assumed that you were so much older and more experienced than most people; though I suspect that you really are not. Many people here have been long at the forefront of radical and liberation politics, and many of us are grandmothers. To make such claims in an opening post, is knowingly provocative and dismissive in the extreme.

If you spent more time in genuine engagement you would find like-mindedness with many posters, I'm sure - even though we cannot all get on or 'click' with everyone, and some people's styles may rub up against our own. This is an open forum, and a coming together of many people united, mainly, in our belief that trans gender ideology is a degenerate force, and one that is, in its implications, of concern to all of us.

Okay - if this thread’s staying, BabyJakesMum please come back and talk to me and others on here who have trans siblings, partners, husbands, wives, children, nieces, nephews, etc.

If it is then I have a lot of very woke young peeps on Twitter to report for TOS violations.

Oh just a big fat THANK YOU, OP!

This thread is hilarious.

Did we get a confirmation that get in the sea is not incitement of suicide yet?

You also probably do already know a transperson somewhere in your life, but most don't wear a badge to tell you that because it's actually none of your business what clothes or pronouns someone chooses to use

Yes, Many of us here do know trans people in our life; some are even married to a trans person; and others have children and family members who are suffering on account of trans ideology.

When people start to try to police thought and speech then it becomes everyone's business; and what people do in public life is no longer a private act - especially when it impacts on other people, and on the spaces and services that have been hard won.

Nobody here is against civil rights for anyone. But trans rights so often demand centre stage and actively seek supersede the rights of other groups of people - and this is something new. And because of this this is all of our business.

and that is without even broaching the subject of how deeply offensive it is for men to determine what it is that constitutes being a woman or female in our society; let alone in biological reality.

Trans ideology in the the apotheosis of Identity Politics, and reveals most fulsomely the full nonsense of that politics.

We're derailing the thread from its stated aim of telling us all how bad we are?

I'll never understand why anyone starts a thread with "I hate you all and you need to shut up" and is then surprised when that initial attack is met with hostility in response rather than cuddles and offers of cake.

It's a masterclass in how not to engage. And then what happens next !

I'm so glad they didn't delete it, it's getting quite entertaining! And NellieEllie's post is worth copying and pasting for posterity.

Must. Not. Laugh.

It's not even Friday !

@JenMumsnet

Oh Jen!!! 🍸

That was aimed at MN not Datun!

Why does it have to come down?
We were only threatened with its removal if we fell foul of the line and more deletions were made.

Of course it needs to be taken down!

And now we, and all the lurkers, know that take a long walk off a short pier, constitutes the abuse that you kill yourself.