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Babyjakesmum · 16/10/2019 19:10

I haven't been on Mumsnet in a while, but have dropped back in to see what was going on when I heard about the sponsors dropping Mumsnet because of anti-trans hate. I expected it to be a storm in a tea cup.

But sadly, I have to say that I find the level of bitter hatred on here to be utterly breathtaking. I have trans people in my family. I have friends who have trans people, and the way they are being discussed here is simply appalling.

Being trans isn't something anyone takes lightly, or lives lightly either. It's is not mental illness, it is not an excuse to abuse children, it is not a passing fad. It is bloody hard on those who find themselves in that situation, and this sort of hate-fest of ignorance and accusation only makes their lives even harder.

I used to come on here to talk about my babies and life as a Mum, and it was supportive and safe space for me to talk openly about my feelings and experiences. It no longer feels safe for anyone. I don't think I will be coming back to be a regular again. I cannot comprehend what has become of the people on here for this level of narrow mindedness to be flourishing.

Make no mistake, I am an old school, campaigning, hard-bitten feminist, and have been since before half the people on here were born. I understand the feminist anti-trans arguments but I find all of it to be empty of any basis in reality. Trans people aren't lurking in changing rooms, trans people aren't after your kids or trying to undermine your own femininity. They are having a very hard time in life.

I know you can cite a handful of examples, but then there are always a handful of example of anything. One Karen White does not mean you write off all trans-people as criminals.

I would say to you to get to know an actual transperson and see what the reality is, except that I wouldn't want any vulnerable person subjected to this.... you also probably do already know a transperson somewhere in your life, but most don't wear a badge to tell you that because it's actually none of your business what clothes or pronouns someone chooses to use.

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GirlDownUnder · 18/10/2019 23:20

So basically all that will be allowed to stand in the end is the parking threads.

With only the right kind of women, all out vying each other to prove how womanly they are by their ‘totes total inability to park’ and ‘parallel park, ooo no, that’s for men’s only’ titter titter tee hee simper.

zebrasdontwearbras · 18/10/2019 22:31

It is an amazing book - we are fools when we don't learn from history. I can't remember who said it, but "history doesn't repeat itself, it rhymes".

RufusthebewiIderedreindeer · 18/10/2019 22:29

zebras excellent book

And I completely agree, if i had a £ for everytime i thought ‘god its starting to sound like maos china’ i would be able to buy a very expensive whisky

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 18/10/2019 22:27

So basically all that will be allowed to stand in the end is the parking threads.

zebrasdontwearbras · 18/10/2019 22:26

The cultural revolution is possibly the most accurate analogy with what's happening here.

When I read Wild Swans, back in the 90s, I used to wonder how it could happen. Now I know.

zebrasdontwearbras · 18/10/2019 22:24

We said this when the new trans mod guidelines were introduced - nothing but complete capitulation and deletion of any and all trans discussion (and probably the whole of the fwr board) will placate the likes of mimmymum.

And it wouldn't end there - then any mention of say, "breastfeeding" - probably any mention of "women" when it has anything to do with pregnancy/childbirth - will have to go too.

LangCleg · 18/10/2019 22:23

I'm sitting here, all puzzled, wondering what to post that isn't a derail.

I KNOW!

A picture of a struggle session, because OP seemed to want us to be sorry for our non-compliance to the wokeing class.

This is what a struggle session looks like, should anyone want to do one.

RufusthebewiIderedreindeer · 18/10/2019 22:16

bernard

I think my ipad LITERALLY erased bernard

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 18/10/2019 22:16

I remember a reply to MN's official account on twitter - "if you cared about trans rights you would delete your whole site"

There really is no use in trying to compromise with people who approach life that way. So I'm not sure why some people keep trying.

RufusthebewiIderedreindeer · 18/10/2019 22:15

You should sue *

They have made you an emotional wreck and I’m being LITERALLY erased

I’m feeling very litigious tonight

(MNHQ are very safe though...i may be litigious but i am also very very lazy)

ThighThighOfthigh · 18/10/2019 22:14

But we wouldn't let any tits join.

ThighThighOfthigh · 18/10/2019 22:13

We could build a site called Fannies and Thighs. Just sayin' don't report me!

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 18/10/2019 22:11

that's the last time I get in touch with my feelings

it's stuff upper lip from here on in

SEE WHAT YOU'VE DONE MNHQ? I'M AN EMOTIONAL CRIPPLE NOW

plus my laptop doesn't have a caps lock button so all that upper case typing was exhausting

that's it. I'm flouncing off to bed.

TheChampagneGalop · 18/10/2019 22:08

I remember a reply to MN's official account on twitter - "if you cared about trans rights you would delete your whole site"
So to someone like that, no level of moderation would be good enough.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 18/10/2019 22:02

I guess only people who hate FWR are allowed to have feelings, Bernard.

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 18/10/2019 21:59

I stayed on topic and wrote about how posts like the OPs make me feel

my post was deleted

it kind of feels like MNHQ are setting up a situation where long running, good faith posters can't win

Sad
LangCleg · 18/10/2019 21:59

Sad. I can't think of anything more British than taking the piss.

Destroying your own site's USP for an insatiable monster. Yes, sad.

BeMoreMagdalen · 18/10/2019 21:57

I don't take the piss out of minority groups. I'm quite free with my scorn for privileged men, though. Quite a novel stance for a feminist, apparently.

zebrasdontwearbras · 18/10/2019 21:55

Exactly Rufus.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 18/10/2019 21:54

I didn't mean in a bucket, btw. Not trying to give the apparently very naughty Thighs any ideas.

I really would like to know what MNHQ are expecting people to do with this thread. OPs premise is, you're all horrible. Attempts to offer advice have been met with hostility. So how does one respond in a way that's not seen as derailing?

RufusthebewiIderedreindeer · 18/10/2019 21:51

And I don’t take the piss of minority groups

Just life...and life fucking well deserves it !

RufusthebewiIderedreindeer · 18/10/2019 21:50

Taking the mick, and joking are pretty much all i do

Wait and fucking minute

MNHQ are LITERALLY trying to erase me!!

I might sue Hmm

zebrasdontwearbras · 18/10/2019 21:47

I mean obviously we can't pisstake minority groups - but a bit of organ-harvesting of mumsnetters by the Thighs isn't beyond the pale is it? I mean don't want my organs harvested obviously, but some MNetters don't seem to mind Grin

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 18/10/2019 21:41

Sad. I can't think of anything more British than taking the piss.

BeMoreMagdalen · 18/10/2019 21:37

I was deleted for being subversively witty. I set people aflame with laughter. It's a curse.

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