Trans chat

Lol.

If we're doing the "trans friends" thing...my trans friends agree with much of the conversation in FWR

I would be considered trans within the Stonewall definition of trans

All the discussion here is how to centre the needs of women and children. If that = anti trans then surely you must see that the opposite must be true?

A big concern of mine is that predators will abuse the societal and cultural change that will accompany self-ID

Single sex spaces matter

Acknowledging sex is important for trans people too. If a medical professional treated a trans woman for asthma using the medical info designed for XX women that could kill the trans woman. They need more medicine due to lung size etc. Why do you wish death on trans people OP? I don't. I want them to have appropriate and specialised healthcare that caters for their sex AND their gender identity.

And the script they trot out is becoming as predictable as reruns of 'Friends'

The One Where Chandler’s Transgender Parent Tells Monica to Die in a Grease Fire.

It no longer feels safe for anyone

The people in 2BthatUnnoticed's post don't feel safe either. So we have to discuss this issue. If you really are a feminist, or even just a human being with compassion for other human beings, come back and do that thing. Chat.

Meh. Plopper.

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Fingers crossed it's just bedbugs OP

Just don’t quack in the vicinity unless you’re certain it’s bedbugs not Thighs. That was Rufus’s mistake.

Make no mistake, I am an old school, campaigning, hard-bitten feminist, and have been since before half the people on here were born. I understand the feminist anti-trans arguments but I find all of it to be empty of any basis in reality. Trans people aren't lurking in changing rooms, trans people aren't after your kids or trying to undermine your own femininity. They are having a very hard time in life

So much to unpack in this paragraph alone.

What has made you 'hard-bitten', I wonder? And would you still describe yourself in this way? I, for one, would certainly never describe myself as 'hard-bitten' - suggestive as that is of lack of empathy and compassion, and a bit battle weary.....

I'm not sure how old you are, but I and I know for certain that many of the women here are no longer spring chickens: many of us grandmothers, as well as mothers; others long at the front line of radical and liberation politics......Women who know deeply and feel strongly the roots of the oppression of women.

Nobody here is 'anti-trans'; what they are is pro-women and pro female empowerment; protective of women's spaces and the services and positions that have ben long fought for. Nobody here is against civil rights for anyone.

This is about first order principles, not about specific individuals.

Yes, it's a well known feminist method to call women talking about protecting all women's rights 'bitter'.

It no longer feels safe for anyone.

What do you think we’re going to do? Debate you till it hurts? Feel free not to read. Fixed!

I don't think I will be coming back to be a regular again.

And?

please read this

Please also know that most (if not all) incarcerated women have survived child sex abuse, neglect, rape or sexual assault.

One told me that she felt safer inside than outside, because of the abuse she had experienced (including being trafficked).

Jesus H. Christ!

I'm so glad you came along OP to teach us how to be the nice, meek beings that women are supposed to be!

For the record (disgraceful that it needs spelled out!), I wish NO transperson any harm whatsoever. To harm anyone due to an aspect of their biology, personality, orientation etc. is despicable and I'd never stand by and watch it happen.
BUT that doesn't mean I want men in women's spaces. That's the bottom line.
When it comes to it, I stand with biological women and believe that sex segregated spaces exist to protect our safety.
That is not causing anyone any harm, and it might help if you were even slightly knowledgeable about the things you're trying to chastise talk about.

I know you can cite a handful of examples, but then there are always a handful of example of anything. One Karen White does not mean you write off all trans-people as criminals.

You have massively missed the point about Karen White.

If you are going to come back, I can explain it to you and we can discuss it.

If you are just here to plop and run, I'm not going to bother.

How come op,starts a thread and then never comes back

Can’t answer questions. Ffs

But sadly, I have to say that I find the level of bitter hatred on here to be utterly breathtaking

Unfortunately some people seem to think that having concerns about trans activism amounts to 'bitter hatred'. People are allowed to have an opinion that differs from yours.

I was like you, OP. I thought that Mumsnet were treating a group of people who really just wanted to live their lives disgracefully.

But - even though I was super-polite with pronouns and socially respectful I never actually believed that trans women are women.

And because I don’t believe people can change sex I don’t believer that biological men should be in women’s sport or that they can have periods.

Personally I don’t care who I change next to but my daughters care - a lot- and I can empathise with all the women and girls who don’t want to get changed next to man with a beard who “identifies” as a woman on that day. Maybe if you were babyjessicasmum instead, in a few years’ time you’d appreciate just how self-conscious a girl in early puberty can become.

Not believing that men can change sex already makes me a transphobe so add my concern about puberty blockers for children who don’t conform to gender stereotypes (and it always seems to start with clothes and toys) and somehow I’ve become full-blown GC.

it is not a passing fad

Pretty sure it is for the teens claiming to be trans/non-binary/abimegender/librafluid/invisigender etc. It's the new emo, only far more damaging.

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@Babyjakesmum, I think most of us do know a trans person (or several) but we don't agree with the "official" activist ideology.

The truth should never be taboo.

Unless you come up with some specific examples OP or explain why it’s hateful to object to biological males playing in women’s sport despite a large physical advantage, why it’s hateful for women and girls to want privacy whilst changing or sleeping, or why traumatised women in domestic violence centres should have to share with biological men then I just can’t be bothered. Over to you.

Very much this.

Unless you come up with some specific examples OP or explain why it’s hateful to object to biological males playing in women’s sport despite a large physical advantage, why it’s hateful for women and girls to want privacy whilst changing or sleeping, or why traumatised women in domestic violence centres should have to share with biological men then I just can’t be bothered. Over to you.

Have the Thighs been biting again? Sorry OP. They’re impossible to control.

Oh shit, can you imagine?!!?

Look out for buckets of organs and a pissy smell

Fingers crossed it's just bedbugs OP

And in August 2012 Babyjakesmum asked for advice about what one wears during labour- which I'm assuming by the nature of her question was her first pregnancy.