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Babyjakesmum · 16/10/2019 19:10

I haven't been on Mumsnet in a while, but have dropped back in to see what was going on when I heard about the sponsors dropping Mumsnet because of anti-trans hate. I expected it to be a storm in a tea cup.

But sadly, I have to say that I find the level of bitter hatred on here to be utterly breathtaking. I have trans people in my family. I have friends who have trans people, and the way they are being discussed here is simply appalling.

Being trans isn't something anyone takes lightly, or lives lightly either. It's is not mental illness, it is not an excuse to abuse children, it is not a passing fad. It is bloody hard on those who find themselves in that situation, and this sort of hate-fest of ignorance and accusation only makes their lives even harder.

I used to come on here to talk about my babies and life as a Mum, and it was supportive and safe space for me to talk openly about my feelings and experiences. It no longer feels safe for anyone. I don't think I will be coming back to be a regular again. I cannot comprehend what has become of the people on here for this level of narrow mindedness to be flourishing.

Make no mistake, I am an old school, campaigning, hard-bitten feminist, and have been since before half the people on here were born. I understand the feminist anti-trans arguments but I find all of it to be empty of any basis in reality. Trans people aren't lurking in changing rooms, trans people aren't after your kids or trying to undermine your own femininity. They are having a very hard time in life.

I know you can cite a handful of examples, but then there are always a handful of example of anything. One Karen White does not mean you write off all trans-people as criminals.

I would say to you to get to know an actual transperson and see what the reality is, except that I wouldn't want any vulnerable person subjected to this.... you also probably do already know a transperson somewhere in your life, but most don't wear a badge to tell you that because it's actually none of your business what clothes or pronouns someone chooses to use.

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Datun · 16/10/2019 22:59

How many people have come on this week who are singularly unable to, not just refute any argument, but address any comments?

But still say they don't like our tone.

All it needs is a young lady, and they're my dad.

littlbrowndog · 16/10/2019 22:58

Yeah that’s why I call being a coward. Op

You gonna call it then back it up.

Don’t run off ☹️

Ineedacupofteadesperately · 16/10/2019 22:58

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BuzzShitbagBobbly · 16/10/2019 22:57

Thank you to those who gave polite responses to my comments. I absolutely respect different opinions when they given in a calm and thought out manner.

...because you posted in such a polite and calm manner to start with? You started this thread all guns blazing and hammers swinging, posting only to berate and slur women, using false facts, illogical constructs and pure nonsense.

Have a word with yourself.

ErrolTheDragon · 16/10/2019 22:57

I didn't think the OPs tone on the Rhiannon Spear thread was very nice tbh, she seemed to be characterising a bit of criticism of the SNP as 'a breathtaking amount of anti-Scottish hate'.

zebrasdontwearbras · 16/10/2019 22:57

@2BthatUnnoticed - that is a shocking post.

Is this true - they are actually having to hand out the morning after pill in women's prisons? That is unreal - the safety of women against predatory males in prison cells should be absolutely guaranteed.

Rocktheboot · 16/10/2019 22:56

I LIKE the variety of tones in the variety of debates on MN. I DONT like people posting their opinion in an authoritative and chastising way and refusing to engage with any of the people who of bothered to reply to their nonsense

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 16/10/2019 22:50

"Positive environment"??!?!??

What?

It's like the blog that said "Mumsnet used to be a hub of feeding times and diaper changes".....

No real idea of what Mumsnet ever was.

It's been called a nest of vipers almost since day one for a reason.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 16/10/2019 22:48

@Babyjakesmum - how can it be a debate if you aren’t answering any of the questions on here?

SirVixofVixHall · 16/10/2019 22:48

🙄

TensingArndale · 16/10/2019 22:47

My actual point in posting was about the tone of the debate on here

Appeals to female socialisation that we should be nicer, don't cut it any more here.

Butterisbest · 16/10/2019 22:47

@Babyjakesmum
You simply cannot have been a feminist for longer than I've been alive. I'm 61, that would mean you're in your early 80s, baby Jake is probably picking up his pension. As others have said, your life experiences and the timescale just don't add up.

Your insistence that nobody here actually knows any trans people is utterly ridiculous and very stupid.
These days it's impossible to be a hard bitten feminist without the recognition that Women and girls are being harmed by the current trans ideology. Stop telling women that they are anti trans and understand that this is all about being pro Women and girls.
Children are being used as experimental objects, if those children were dogs, there would be a National outrage.

littlbrowndog · 16/10/2019 22:45

You brought nothing here op

You wrote some stuff then ran off fast as you could

Leporidae · 16/10/2019 22:44

I wonder why FWR so often get the "watch your tone" type of posts. Maybe those who aren't very familiar with Mn will think that our female socialization will kick in and it will make posters apologize like proper ladies.

littlbrowndog · 16/10/2019 22:43

Nopes you still don’t engage. You just write a bit then run off

Be polite women be kind
And of course listen to the ops statements.

Because they are the best statements ever 🤦‍♀️

ErrolTheDragon · 16/10/2019 22:40

the tone of the debate on here

Ummm... have you seen what it's like elsewhere (if debate is even allowed)?Confused

Qcng · 16/10/2019 22:37

Yes it's always been a nest of vipers here. Thought everyone knew that.

Qcng · 16/10/2019 22:36

My actual point in posting was about the tone of the debate on here and how damaging and harmful that is both here, to trans people in general and to the reputation of Mumsnet, which used to be such a positive environment

Don't think Mumsnet has ever been known for it's "positive environment" to be honest.
It's the home of AIBU and LTB first and foremost, where women stand up for other women but in very blunt language.

I like blunt language it makes life so much easier.

Leporidae · 16/10/2019 22:36

And there is nothing wrong with that, if you ask me.

LangCleg · 16/10/2019 22:35

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Leporidae · 16/10/2019 22:34

My actual point in posting was about the tone of the debate on here and how damaging and harmful that is both here, to trans people in general and to the reputation of Mumsnet, which used to be such a positive environment.

MN has been known as a manhating nest of vipers since forever though.

Inebriati · 16/10/2019 22:34

You haven't answered any of the points about women in prison, just posted another variation of ''be more nice''.
Its really not women who are being nasty, OP.

Qcng · 16/10/2019 22:32

Oh.
X post!

Fraggling · 16/10/2019 22:32

Oh please come back

I would like to understand more about why I'm so insecure about my femininity Sad

Qcng · 16/10/2019 22:32

No return after 3 hours, I can only guess, that's us told. We should all go home now.

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