Trans chat

Come closer OP, we have salted butter.

Of course we abide by the rules! That's why none of our posts make linguistic sense as we contort everything in order to hide our thoughtcrime.

Oh and stating that she hasn't broken any rules on here.
Obviously we have.
Abide by the rules, ladies.

Let me explain.
Basically women's rights are at the bottom of the list. Women are upset because women's rights and safety are being pushed aside by the trans and the I-identify-as-a-potato community. Girls and women need safe male-free spaces too deal with periods, escape from certain men in public places and escape from domestic abuse. Women should not have to compete against males in sports. There is a reason for women's sports, men have a biological advantage. I've heard of a trans women coming into the women's toilets, with their fully intact dick and raping someone.

Basically, as a woman, you can have rights as long as nobody else disagrees with it. But now there's a bunch of people disagreeing with it. Women want safe male free spaces and to keep women's sports fair? Yup they're transphobic assholes. It is ridiculous.

And come on, those who don't identify as a gender or decide they're a Nancy one day and Bill the next?! It's madness. You don't have to have 'feminine' or 'masculine' attributes, gender doesn't really matter. Boys can like barbies and girls can like cars, boys or girls can play with both. Embrace these ideas it and ignore what it has been decided girls and boys like. But to say you don't have a gender is ridiculous. You're born female or male, you remain female or male.

I firmly believe part of the problem is gender stereotypes, boys don't have long hair, boys don't like pink, boys don't play with dolls houses, boys dont cry, boys like contact sports. Girls don't get muddy, girls like fairies and princesses, girls don't play rugby, girls don't wear anything with dinosaurs or footballs on. That's boys clothing, that's girls clothing, those are boys shoes, those are girls shoes. So and so fourth. These ideas are exposed to children very young, even if it isn't from their own parents they'll hear it from their peers and it causes damage.

I have looked through the replies twice now. When were you told to 'kill yourself'?!

Thanks for that screenshot 2BthatUnnoticed fucking hell, that won't end well.

babyjakes
As it happens, my personal views on trans rights are very mixed, I don't wholly ascribe to either side of it, it's a very complex issue all round, and I don't sign up to half the view points that have been ascribed to me here, but no-one actually stopped to notice that as they piled in with accusations.

This is exactly what you did to us in your opening post. You didn't stop to engage with us, you just jumped straight in with accusations and tone policing. We get that a lot here, very tiresome, so I'm sure you understand why we are suspicious. We couldn't 'stop to notice' what viewpoints you ascribe to, because the only viewpoint you showed us was you think we are not nice.

So, if you are genuine, let's get back on track with some good faith discussion. To do that, we need some common definitions, if you could try to answer the question from page 1:

"Could you explain how you interpret gender"

I'll go first, gender is the social expectations of behaviours ascribed to a person due to their sex.

As it happens, my personal views on trans rights are very mixed, I don't wholly ascribe to either side of it,

But if you don’t believe transwomen are biological women and don't therefore welcome them into your sports, changing rooms, refuges and toilets then you are a bigot and a TERF, apparently.

I haven't said people aren't allowed views

Very disingenuous. You were tone policing, going on about safe spaces, and accusing people of “hate”, a well-known strategy for trying to shut people up in the absence of any actual argument.

Well I for one welcome your input OP.

Did you read the screen shot I posted above, and if so what do you think? Do you support dedicated trans wings (where self-Id “c*s” women can go too - if they want)?

BeMoreMagdalen

This ^

Why is it though, that the reaction here (from some not all) is to attack me personally as an individual and try and grasp at any straws you can find to discredit me as even being a real person?

I can answer that. It is because your OP was a personal attack, so you set the tone of the thread.

2B - I'm just horrified. Canada (that wondrous country) has taken a serious misstep. And we're following in their footsteps.

The Quillette article too quillette.com/2019/10/12/male-bodied-rapists-are-being-imprisoned-with-women-why-do-so-few-people-care/

Why do so few people care?

Women are just told off for mentioning it at all - because transwomen aren't all like that (we know!) - but the thing is, the ones who are, are a clear danger to women and girls. But we're not allowed to say it. WHY?

Upfield - I think you're quite new, you may not be fully aware of Talk guidelines - if you've suspicions about whether a poster is genuine then report their posts and let MNHQ decide. They can check things like how long a poster has been around even if they've namechanged.

www.mumsnet.com/info/netiquette

And honestly- TW are welcome to “femininity” which has never been my thing .. why do TRAs think we care about “femininity?” Because they do? Bizarre.

The dipping a toe in but refusing to engage or read replies is because the posters could get "radicalised" by logic and start understanding the actual issues.

zebra yes, it is in Canada. The morning after pill is available for free at Dispensary, because these are fully biologically male people and stronger than the vast majority of female inmates.

But poor OP - having to deal with (omg!) words on a site she could choose not to see.

(Otherwise I'd still have the fab username I used to have before Jeff the Hacker made me de-reg and re-reg )

No that doesn't work I don't think.