Trans chat

Hypatia do you agree with recording male crimes as female crimes?

Ookkaaay

It seems Hypatia415 is in favour of mixed sex prisons

Interesting position

Would you care to explain why you think that’s a good idea Hypatia415 v

We need to have a discussion about prison reform which protects vulnerable women from abusers.

I suggest the discussion goes as follows:

"Shall we keep male people out of female prisons? Yes? Good, all agreed. Right moving on to the next agenda item...."

@2bthatunnoticed We need to have a discussion about prison reform which protects vulnerable women from abusers.

Focusing on an element of abusers other than their their behaviour, and extending that to all other people who share that attribute, seems a poor way to address systemic problems.

Trans inmate can choose the sex of the person they bunk with, who searches them and watches them. Female inmates do not.

Mother and child units are housing convicted sex offenders, who become TW (no hormones, no surgery) post conviction.

Look where children come:

One of the most frightening parts is how much of it is based upon misinformation or arguments that take one example of a person's unpardonable behaviour as being somehow indicative of a whole group of people.

It's not that anyone thinks individual unpardonable behaviour is indicative of the whole group. It's that all manner of unpardonable behaviour is actually very much pardonable and almost always goes unchecked and even celebrated in some cases.

Combine that with terrible policy decisions that favour those who wish to get away with the unpardonable and you end up with the current shit show that many women are understandably very angry about.

(That was to Hypatia, who hopefully can clarify support for these women wanting a return to female-only incarceration)

What a silly statement. Many people here have trans family member, trans friends or trans workmates. Stop “othering” trans people like they are not throughout society like anyone else.

I noticed OP hasn’t responded to my screenshot, maybe you would?

My post was deleted for a joke about One Who Shall Not Be Named.

And the 100+ replies I have had to 2 and now 3 posts, have just proved my point.

Of all the arguments these ploppers always use, the one where they criticise people just for having the audacity to reply to them is the most bemusing.

It's about now that the filibusters usually turn up, but this thread could be a bit early for the weekend filibuster. We shall see.

Well done for your post @Babyjakesmum. It's scary the level of anti-trans vitriol that is shared on these boards.

One of the most frightening parts is how much of it is based upon misinformation or arguments that take one example of a person's unpardonable behaviour as being somehow indicative of a whole group of people.

I really worry that many people are coming on to these boards with little frame of reference or knowledge about trans people and this is their introduction.

@MNHQ was a comment saying “kys” deleted? None of us saw it (or have ever seen anything remotely close in my case), all I am sure would condemn any that language without reservation. It is quite alarming.

Great post from TabithasMumCaroline

l also don’t see where anyone told you to kill yourself, and have never seen any feminist here use that kind of language.

I never saw any post saying that. But I'm sure screen shotting the accusation will be enough to demonstrate what a nest of vipers this place is.

Could a mod perhaps clear up whether any such post was deleted?

I also don’t see where anyone told you to kill yourself, and have never seen any feminist here use that kind of language.

I have never seen anyone anywhere on MN write that, and I have been using this site for many years now. However "kys" is a standard TRA twitter insult.

pompous control freaks

A very accurate description. They make me tired

So intellectually dishonest, most of all with themselves

Thanks to everyone who also delights in the term wokescold. I can't claim it as my own invention (sadly I can't remember who first coined it) but it is a great word and so very befitting of those that show up here to lecture without engagement.

I’m wondering what sort of reaction you think you ought to get when you post a wokescolding* patronising blanket condemnation of a whole board, How would that usually go, OP? Do you find telling people that they’re hateful and stupid an effective way of engaging in productive debate?

I also don’t see where anyone told you to kill yourself, and have never seen any feminist here use that kind of language. Did anyone else see it?

thank you for that, ovahere*, I love this word! (Hope I got the right poster)

Yes did someone actually say “ or was that hyperbole ? That would be instant permanent ban surely? Utterly bizarre

If anyone did , I condemn without reserve.

Wow Orchid, just like our own dear Labour Party.

#labourlosingwomen

I take my hat off to everyone who takes the time to reply to these pompous control freaks.

I couldn’t be arsed.

And she thinks she is very old and wise! Ha!

Thigh please don't bite op she is already hard bitten!!