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Why on earth was my message deleted? I simply said that Datun made a great post and shame on the OP for not caring about women and girls. That was it! WHAT was wrong with that @MNHQ?

My post was deleted for stating that the OP's use of cliches and over-emotional tone sounds like a bloke's idea of what a Mumsnetter sounds like (although I did even state 'I don't claim to know if the OP is male or female', so it really shouldn't have been deleted). For this comment the OP then referred to me as 'nasty'. I didn't mean to undermine your femininity, OP, heaven forbid! I'm just always surprised when women who call themselves feminists - especially the hard-bitten kind - try to silence other women talking about their rights by appealing to their female socialisation, and putting male approval before the dignity and safety of their own sex.

I understand the feminist anti-trans arguments but I find all of it to be empty of any basis in reality
The only thing empty of any basis in reality is men's claims to be women because that's what they want to be. No amount of Clown fish in the world will make the human species anything other than sexually dimorphic, no human has or ever could change into the opposite sex.

That's reality & the only basis the "trans" issue can be discussed on. I'm in my 60s OP. Don't try & teach your granny to suck eggs.

apparently not. OP describes herself as "an old school, campaigning, hard-bitten feminist, and have been since before half the people on here were born."

Yeah, I’m probably wrong, it was just a stab in the dark (and before you rush to the report button OP, that is NOT a threat, no one is stabbing anyone here it’s just another colorful turn of phrase) I saw that but, being of a suspicious persuasion, I thought OP might be doing that thing like where I could describe myself as a 20-something young Heidi Klum lookalike brain surgeon and no one online would know different only kinda in reverse.

Is sarcasm really a problem now? On a British based forum? Our sarcasm is pretty much the only thing we Brits all have in common!

The deletions are odd.

One of the deleted posts was a MNer describing the various sectors/areas that she had lived/worked in. (It was a response to the suggestion that none of us knew anyone who is trans). I thought it was a really good post and really can't think of a reason for it to have been deleted.

I think it was by TabithasMumCaroline but I'm not 100% sure.

The long walk on a short pier was mine. I later suggested that they take a life jacket with them if they couldn't swim. Both deleted. Are people familiar with the idioms of the English language?

I haven't had an e-mail and I'm not entirely sure what I said to be deleted.

I think I compared OPs language to that of some TRAs which I guess could be seen as troll hunting which wasn't my intention.

Can those who have been deleted shed any light on this?

I think* some of the posts implied they thought the OP was a man? Or made certain claims about the OPs posting history. Probably gone under the "not in the spirit" rule.

*Disclaimer I really don't have the best memory

The phrase take a long walk off a short pier really isn't something to be deleted.

How do these people get up in the morning?

I managed to read the posts before they were deleted and I'm also surprised. However - and this could be just my imagination - although FWR has always been a target, it seems to be getting fairly heavy attention at the moment. A PP referred to the increasing need to make linguistic contortions just to communicate effectively and it seems to me that even those contortions are no longer enough.

I've just flicked back on this thread, and there are loads of deletions!!

I read the thread, and there was absolutely nothing delete worthy, at all. What the hell is going on?

Can those who have been deleted shed any light on this?

Is the OP who reported very young?

Apparently not. OP describes herself as "an old school, campaigning, hard-bitten feminist, and have been since before half the people on here were born."

I'm also from the Jurassic era, in common with many other posters on here, so presumably OP is from the era before that.

Piers have been around a long time too, even short ones.

I find it hard to believe that is what OP is refering to. however, if it IS, I think it's a useful thing to reflect on. there really ISNT the barrage of aggressive/hateful comments on MN as is accused. Misrepresentation is really obstructive. I wish that it would stop happening and I wish OP et Al would engage with the actual points raised. Such as, to begin with; the medicalisation of gender non-conforming CHILDREN with pharmaceuticals that are being used off-licence; in conjunction with the misrepresentation of suicide statistics which are in contravention of Samaritans ethical suicide reporting guidelines

*Its ultimate conclusion - its! Aaargh!

noooooo? that isn't really what OP meant, when she said someone had told her to kill herself??! surely not?

Is the OP who reported very young? I ask because I suppose it’s possible they’ve never heard ‘long walk on a short pier’ and are taking it literally to it’s ultimate conclusion... Thing is, ‘kill yourself’ is very much a thing among the bright young things on social media and some use it to bully, we know TRAs certainly mean it when addressing ‘Terfs’ as in “die in a grease fire”. But as I understand it (I’m officially from the Jurassic era) speaking to teens of my acquaintance for the most part it doesn’t mean literally ‘kill yourself’ - it’s more you have socially embarrassed yourself so badly - done or said or worn something so uncool - you’ll never live it down.

Hard bitten feminists can be surprisingly sensitive.

It's why MN has the very handy acronym FOTTFSOFAWYGTFOSM.

There would be none of this confusion then.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Is get in the sea also a threat to kill?

"take-a-long-walk-on-a-short-pier. Verb. (idiomatic, pejorative, colloquial) Used to tell someone to go away, or that their request will not be met."

According to Google, a definition shared by many online dictionaries and indeed, the meaning I'd always attached to it.

It would be odd if anyone interpreted it any other way.

Could you clear up the confusion, OP?

It's quite simple in my opinion.
In my quite vast experience there are different types of trans people. The AGP type is taking over. These womens experience is valid. I just dont think there is enough research. And there never will be. Because AGP will continue to use the trans umbrella and muddy the waters.

Dont dismiss these womens experience OP. The type of people they write about exists. And they're damaging to everyone, women, girls and actual trans people. This forum of course, is primarily for the discussion of womens rights in the original (and current) dictionary definition of the word women. These women would receive similar short shrift if they joined trans support groups to discuss this with. And no one should have the power to shut down lawful non violent engagement.

The tedious predictability of people coming here complaining about tone, undercurrent, volume. Shhh. Women mustn't talk for long, and clearly mustn't talk at such volume, or in such quantity. And the sheer number of threads! Don't create such a commotion. It looks bad, it feels wrong.

None of these ploppers actually asserts that rapists should be in women's prisons, or men allowed to beat women at sport, or that 10-year-old girls should be disrobing in front of middle aged men. They certainly never debate the mounting evidence of the dangers of puberty blockers and cross sex hormones.

They don't ever specifically address any points. Just hush.

It's extraordinary watching people desperately trying to maintain some kind of credibility by non engagement whilst simultaneously, furiously dismantling women's rights.

Personally, if you don't engage, I consider your argument misogynistic by default.