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Manchester World Masters Track Cycling Results

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BuzzShitbagBobbly · 16/10/2019 07:27

Thread to recognise and congratulate inspirational female athletes

Will you all join me in sincerely congratulating the winners of the Female 35-39 Time Trial:

Gold: Dawn Orwick (36.901)
Silver: Naomi Lovesay (37.842)
Bronze: Kirsten Herup Sovang (38.709)

Well done all of you!

www.facebook.com/WorldMastersTrackCyclingChampionships/photos/a.433954390031658/2495494500544293/?type=3&theater

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StrangeLookingParasite · 18/10/2019 19:41

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WomaninBoots · 18/10/2019 19:35

I was reading a thread on a running forum I used to be on about transwomen in women's sport... there was a lot of handwringing about how "complex and sensitive" it all is and a lot of "I don't know enough to comment" fence sitting. Plus one brave woman saying no and everyone calling her aggressive for doing so. That woman is no longer on the forum and I wish I could contact her and give her a pat on the back!

I came to the conclusion that "I don't know enough to comment" is code for "I don't think its right but I'm scared to say so in case Im ostracized for it". The magazine editor is thinking about paying his mortgage and not losing his job. Which I can understand! But it's depressing.

MockersthefeMANist · 18/10/2019 18:18

If ever anyone deserved a "What exactly do we pay you for?" message...

Kit19 · 18/10/2019 18:16

The news & features editor of cycling weekly asked on twitter if he agrees with RM being allowed to race says this

twitter.com/vernpitt/status/1185240161317277696?s=21

“It’s not something I know much about”

Oh please!!!!! Spineless springs to mind

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 18/10/2019 18:16

Btw: I have read that Naomi Lovesay was sick? Hence her DNS.

I hope she recovers soon ThanksBikeThanks

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MockersthefeMANist · 18/10/2019 17:55

How did they define woman?

Any bloke who goes on the pill.

morrisseysquif · 18/10/2019 17:53

This would give the rage if I were in line for a medal. How did they define woman, is it anybody who 'defines themselves as a woman' or do they have to have started to transition?

LikeothersIamjustme · 18/10/2019 17:17

RM is also Canadian now - wasn't RM American on Tuesday?

andyoldlabour · 18/10/2019 15:29

Did anyone else realise that RM got a bye through to the semi final?

www.cyclingmasters.com/site/results/395-f35-39-sprint-quarter-final-result-2019

andyoldlabour · 18/10/2019 15:22

MockersthefeMANist

Thanks for posting that image and giving the women's weights, it really puts things in perspective.
I was wondering if there was a current elite woman track sprinter who is nearing or in RM's age category. There is one who stands out at the moment - Lee Wai Sze aged 32 from Hong Kong. She won the real World Championship Gold medal in 10.662 (1 second quicker than RM) She is a real giant at 5' 3" and 54kg.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Wai_Sze

Simona Krupeckaite of Lithuania is 36 years old and did 10.945, so she would be in RM's category and would be the World record holder - unless I can find any more.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simona_Krupeckait%C4%97

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_UCI_Track_Cycling_World_Championships_%E2%80%93_Women%27s_sprint

andyoldlabour · 18/10/2019 15:03

"I don't know much about RM apart from this current masters races. Do we know RM's history"

The problem with RM to be honest is trying to figure out what is true.
RM says that they used to play badminton and golf to elite standards when they were young, and then elite poker (you need to be damn fit to play that sport), but prior to making the switch they had never cycled. Prior to track racing which RM only took up last year, they did a bit of road racing, but only did well on flat course (hills are a real bugger when you are on the large side).
They started racing in 2015 and started on the track in 2018, the same year they wone their first World Masters Champs.

www.road-results.com/racer/113669

McKinnon started to transition in 2012.

www.chronicle.com/article/Coming-Out-in-Class/132403

SlowasaSnail · 18/10/2019 14:51

If anyone would like to contact British Cycling’s Ethics and Compliance Manager about the unfair inclusion of TW in women’s cycling his email is
[email protected]

AbsintheFriends · 18/10/2019 14:25

I watched the Sky clip. The interviewer (Martha Kelner?) clearly sees the batshit injustice for what it is. Refreshing, given the BBCs utter collusion.

MockersthefeMANist · 18/10/2019 14:01

GB Women win gold at the Euros:

Laura Kenny (2nd left) is 5ft 4 and 52 kg.
Kate Archibald, far right, is a relative giant at 5ft 10 and 67kg.

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StrangeLookingParasite · 18/10/2019 13:44

They tend to be muscular rather than Lardy though :-)

Pot8o.

ForeverFaff · 18/10/2019 13:42

The posts on the Facebook page are 100% in favour of sex segregated sports! Won't be long until the TRA's pile on, but for now it's just regular people astonished that a male is taking part in the women's race.

SnowyZ · 18/10/2019 13:26

I don't know much about RM apart from this current masters races. Do we know RM's history - were they competing/trying to compete in men's cycling before turning to the women's races? How long ago did RM decide to identify as a woman and was RM cycling/competing before that?

It's amazing how you can't race in a different age category from the date you were born but you can race in a different sex category that you were born as.

SecondRow · 18/10/2019 13:24

I noticed on Naomi Lovesay’s Facebook that she and Dawn Orwick both congratulated each other, was nice to see Smile

Naomi also said she was looking forward to Friday, hope she’s okay.

ErrolTheDragon · 18/10/2019 13:22

Seems like the live stream won't carry this race though, only the men's events tonight, so we won't get to see it.

There's a surprise.Hmm

Antibles · 18/10/2019 13:18

[email protected]

If anyone feels the need to communicate with them.

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 18/10/2019 12:53

It has been pointed out that RM is claiming a "World Record" Hmm

Um, no. You have a World's Masters Best Time in one of several Female Age Categories.

Verrrrry different thing on so many levels. The arrogance of it...!

(Had RM competed in the correct sex category, they would have bean resoundingly thrashed - 9.965 is the male record for the same age group. RM has to wait another 30 years before he can beat his peers)

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aliasundercover · 18/10/2019 12:40

At this point, all of the other women should withdraw from the event, thus ensuring that there are no other competitors taking part in this farce
I think we'd all like to see this. They could withdraw, go to the nearest park with a cycle track and have their own event.
McKinnon could cycle round the track by themselves and get their gold medal - it's clear that's all they want and they don't care how they get it, so they'd be happy enough.

Everyone would know who the best woman cyclist was.

SnowyZ · 18/10/2019 12:35

Wonder what RM thinks about them only showing men's races!! Less publicity for RM.

Not streaming them goes to show how far women's sport has still got to go for equality, why not show the women's races?

DanaPhoenix · 18/10/2019 12:34

Every internet story about this race has the best ratio ever.

#imlovingit

SnowyZ · 18/10/2019 12:32

At this point, all of the other women should withdraw from the event, thus ensuring that there are no other competitors taking part in this farce.

This crossed my mind earlier. I would love to see them do this and would fully support it. I wonder how it would affect their careers though, not because they are standing up for the cause, but the refusing to race when there are sponsorship deals etc.