Amber Rudd says 'sexist' Brexiteers are backing Boris Johnson's deal 'because he's a man'

Ive been trying to find the EUs response. I haven't seen anything yet. I wouldnt expect it until very last minute friday. If it comes earlier i'll be surprised.

The north sea border is a difficult thing. It was probably always going to get through with Brexiters but not with DUP. It was a big thing for May because she was realiant on the DUP. Boris Johnson has no majority even with the DUP. By removing the whip the way he did he effectively devalued the support of the DUP at the same time.

Its worth noting that Labour currently hold a good number of leave seat, by so obviously electioneering he really is putting the screws on any labour mp in a leave constituency, many of whom abstained On the TM vote. Im thinking Boris us going for the cross party leave vote as opposed to the DUP vote. Regardless it is deeply decisive and likely to leave deep scars all sides of the house

TM fought a clean battle and lost. Boris Johnson is fighting decidedly dirty. Is that to do with Women vs men or just different characters. I dont really know

I don’t for a second think it’s about sexism. He’s clearly just better at getting along with people.

Boris has charisma. Theresa May didn’t. It’s largely about relationships, and the ability to charm people helps enormously.

“Allowing May to be PM”. How completely belittling of her. She decided she wanted the job, felt that she was up for it and I guess did it to the best of her abilities. She didn’t have to do it. Do you think she saw herself as a pawn? I doubt it. So why do you?

Tbh I think that concession was always going to ellude TM while she played nice and asked for extensions etc. Boris has only got it because he ran the clock down and looked to the EU like somehow or other he might just be crazy or cany enough to pull off a no deal brexit (despite the Benn act nearly sabotaging that). Thats partly because Boris is Boris and none is quite sure if he is an idiot or a very clever act. Either feels (and probably is) a lot more dangerous than May. Its only now that EU is started to feel the pressure on them of no deal Brexit.

Boris always said he wanted a deal. The WA was always closer to passing than it looked on paper. TM really should get the credit for what she did achieve in the WA. Sadly that probably won't ever get recognised.

I would imagine that it’s more likely down to desperation than sex. I do think that they would be more willing to do what boris says in general but again I think that’s more down to characteristic difference. May just wasn’t capable of pushing people around the way he does. I think few people could measure up on that particular front. No offence to boris of course.

I really don't find the glass cliff theory here convincing. I don't think any of them care whether it was a man or women who failed, as long as they didn't fail themselves.

Absolutely. And while the UK may be a little sexist (especially in politics), some European countries (and the EU negotiators) are a whole lot worse.

FTA, Johnson has given it an end date of 2yrs after the end of the transition...so 4yrs total. One little pen stroke.

Actually thats a fairly significant concession that wasnt given to May. Had it been given to May i have no doubt the working agreement would have got through Parliment (at least had a much better chance). The rest of the WA was a reasonable compromise but tying the UK to the EU indefinitely if EU decided to play silly buggers was never going to get the support of any MP who want out or any MP that believes in preserving the independence of Parliment.

If there is any sexism in play its on Europe's part for failing to make that concession to May. But i suspect they didnt want to make it unless they felt they had to. They now know they werent going to get the WA through Parliment and Boris seems determined to out suddenly there was more incentive to make that concession.

I always thought allowing May to be PM was a classic glass cliff scenario. After Cameron ran away from dealing with the results of his own incompetence, the next PM was being handed a poisoned chalice and unlikely to succeed, so they were happy to sacrifice a woman to the role. The whole thing is full of sexism, but they'll use Priti Patel and others to prove they are diverse.

P.S. I do think there is sexism at work, we only get a female PM when we are up the creek and none of the boys want the job.

When in the home office TM failed in her promise to reduce immigration- I think it was something like 230,000 pa. Had she succeeded we would probably not have had Brexit. She also shafted the police for some reason, maybe she got ticked off by PC Plod for running in the corn field, hence our terrible crime figures. She has no personality or sense of humour, needed to bring others on board, no PM material imv.

I’m not claiming Boris is better but it can’t be denied she was bad in terms of being PM like. I think most people recognise she did get a shit hand and her competition at the time will feel they dodged a bullet.

I think the only reason for the increase in enthusiasm for what can only be a marginally a different deal is it’s crunch time and any form of Brexit at all won’t happen at all if we miss the date by the way the wind is blowing. Would have been cancelled ages ago without Corbyns assistance

I'm certain it's a part of it.

I think it's more the fact that we're so close to the deadline, it's this deal or no deal. Back when May presented her solution, there was still some hope there was time for something better, but Johnson has put us over a barrel by saying the UK is leaving at the end of the month no matter what.

Of course that's why they're going for it. Johnson's deal is actually worse for the UK than May's was, but he's a MAN so gets the applause and the backing.

Is this little outburst of angry manfeels about the "whinging woman" going to continue for a while? Cause if so I'm blocking the thread.

But is the strong and stable mantra any worse than the get Brexit done crap Boris keeps manically repeating?

Plus this set up to fail then swooping in was a terrible plan if it existed. Did they plan to lose their absolute majority in the GE and have to kiss DUP arse due to May leading one of the worse campaigns ever such as being too terrified to have a TV debate with Corbyn and robotically repeating strong and stable?

And let’s not pretend she was shit, woman or not. Boris hasn’t had enough time to prove he’s worse