Can we take a moment to appreciate Piers Morgan

Lorraine Kelly says the petition to get him sacked is ridiculous. Might seem a small thing, but LK and her Loose Women lookee likee programme partners have been very useful in positively propagandising [the cohort we can't accurately name] outside the chattering classes and student unions. The helmet hairstyles, heavy make up, exaggerated hand gestures and shapeless satinette tops of the TW fraternity have always fitted quite nicely into daytime TV's sofa conveyor belt format. They're all 'mwah mwah' mates in the dressing rooms. A new frostinesd on this issue over Piers Morgan could be interesting.

As for him being a leftie, he's an acknowledged Conservative voter...

Well the left wing are doing so much to support the gender critical cause aren't they. I guess you don't need the support of anyone on the right.

I hope he loses and it's a big (fake) story in the press because it will get ordinary people talking about the trans issue.

Yes. And one imagines this is exactly what ITV (and Piers) is hoping for.

'Committing to transition' is meaningless when people like Challoner get a GRC.

This board really is bat shit crazy. Poster girl Posie Parker cosies up to a bona fide right wing Canadian Nazi, whom no one has heard of, and the majority of posts defend her, including comments about getting the message out, broad church blah, blah. Although how interviewing an obscure Canadian Nazi achieves that escapes me.

Hugely famous British journalist speaks out on daytime television going against the mainstream right on BBC, Channel 4, Guardian luvvie stance and the reaction is oh no, how dare he. We don't want him talking about this- we don't need his support, he's not left wing -he "hates women" (what a profoundly stupid comment)

Although he seems a bit conflicting about how he actually deals with trans people in general

Not conflicting at. He supports transsexuals/ people who commit to transition to use spaces appropriate to that transition and pronouns.
He doesn’t believe in non binary, sports participation or self ID. Sounds sensible.

Same as most people really.

There are stupid women that exist, and if someone calls that woman 'stupid' it is not necessarily misogyny, it can just be an opinion.

OK then. That wasn't the overwhelming opinion when Corbyn allegedly used the phrase.

As for him being a leftie, he's an acknowledged Conservative voter...

He's not a moral vacuum, I mean that's such as extreme thing to say.

Tbh I think he's a walking moral vacuum particularly in regard to listening to other people's phone messages and giving what the leveson enquiry pronounced as "utterly unpersuasive" responses while under oath on the subject. He also has a bulletproof sense of self which he likes to test by putting himself into positions of controversy, and this attribute makes him a useful idiot in that he is genuinely unswayed from any given stance by public opprobrium. I do think the views he expresses on trans rights are genuinely held because they are consistent with his utilitarian and broadly unimaginative approach to the world, but I have no doubt that the main reason for him broadcasting them is because he likes to broadcast everything he thinks rather than because he has a burning desire to join the struggle against the patriarchy.

As usual, this is only going to go one way. As soon as you stick your head above the parapet, transactivists will unwittingly recruit you to (at least a version of) gender criticism.

Their rank idiocy and extremism is unsustainable.

A lot of people don't like him because he's so successful while on the surface being quite ordinary with ordinary opinions. Also, on this issue, you can't imagine him giving a shout out to radical feminism, he does talk like this was all his own idea whilst women have been saying it for decades. 'Late to the party, eats all the canapes'. Still, I think he's been great.

Hear hear @Aderyn19
Posting in support of sophisticated and nuanced debate and discussion, over mud-slinging and "good guys / bad guys".
There is no one in this earth with whose opinions I agree or disagree 100%. I am still interested in their arguments and how they came to them.
This isn't a children's video game of shoot the baddies, it's public debate.

I'm not remotely a fan. But on this particular issue, there is a broad church of people with commonsense views who don't believe that it's possible to change sex. And who don't think that saying the magic words "I'm a woman" makes it OK for a man to compete in women's sports. You don't even have to be a feminist to believe that. You just have to be someone who isn't utterly deluded.

But I'll give you this: most of these people with commonsense views aren't speaking out about it. I think Morgan is objectionable in all sorts of ways but I don't think he's a coward. Speaking in favour of gun control when you're hosting a tv show in the US takes some guts.

Oh read my last post, ffs. I didn't call simply agreeing with him fawning.

He almost completely lost his shit about trans women in sport this morning. I can’t see that he isn’t on the side of women in this - and he consistently pointed out it would be women that lose out in all respects. Pointing out facts isn’t fawning over someone.

.....he’s actually been ranting and roaring about this for a good few years now too......

I always thought he was a bit of a leftie. He's alright. His biggest fault is that he plays the oppressed middle class white man card a bit too much.

I think the attempts to get Piers removed because of his views are doomed to failure. But that it is really useful.

We have already seen too many attempts at no platforming in Universities as a result of people expressing similar views to Morgan. Too many women, and men, have been forced to sit through "diversity" training" silently thinking that the gender stuff is rubbish. Too many teachers, sports coaches, girl guide leaders, social workers etc have felt unable to protest about self-ID policies even though they think they are, at worst, dangerous. Too many police are being diverted towards "hate crimes" rather than catching criminals. The fear is "speak up and you lose your job".

So good that Piers is speaking up. Good that people are attempting to get him removed from his post. Good that his Twitter is ablaze with contributions from people like Fox Fisher and Aimee Challenor and that most people seem to see them for what they are.

Doesn't make me a fan, or fawning. But I suspect on this one lots of people, including those in woke organisations like the BBC, are silently cheering him on.

It's not a niche viewpoint is it, the GC one? It's the one most people hold, even obnoxious bollixes.

Jesus, it's not tribalism to be saying that framing a thread about Morgan's recent comments as an appreciation thread is not very helpful. This is not about whether I agree with him on everything else.

If it had been simply a discussion about his comments,I'd be one of the first to acknowledge the use of the platform. It's the praise for something which costs him nothing, and the putting a well connected bloke as a hero again that fucks me off.

And I think Naomi Campbell is a bully 🤷‍♀️
Hey ho

People need to stand up on these issues. I'm not suddenly a Piers Morgan fan, but I agree with him on this.

You can agree with someone on one issue and not another.

The thread title calls for appreciation of Piers Morgan.
Not a chance.

I don't really watch him, either. Only in relation to this issue. He's had Munroe Bergdorf on a couple of times, and Fox and Owl.

Asking them sensible, man of the street, kinds of questions showed up the entire issue for the nonsense it is. And it looked, to me, that the penny dropped with him.

And he wasn't afraid to ask very non-PC questions. I believe he asked Fox and Owl what would happen if he identified as an elephant. And of course they had no real answer, other than well you can't do that. Which just set him off.

There are millions of men like Piers. And millions of them like him. He doesn't deserve applause, but I'm happy influential people are seeing the light.

I don't watch him or the programme, but I've never understood the undying hatred for him. To me, it all stems from when he had the cheek to draw attention to human rights violations by British troops in Iraq. Luckily for the establishment the photos he used turned out to be fake, and everyone conveniently brushed over the fact that the photos were fake, but the incidents referred to and the techniques used turned out to be true - and worse, if anything.

He was the first to try to bring to public notice the abuse of civilians in Iraq, so I give him credit for that.
He has stood firm for the need for gun control in the US, so I give him credit for that.
He supports the right of women to private spaces and their own sports, so I give him credit for that.

The dislike of him seems to be just an attitude that's generally accepted. "We all hate him, we do."