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Hilary and Chelsea Clinton discuss trans issues

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zanahoria · 14/10/2019 07:20

"The one thing she and her mother don’t appear to agree on entirely is the question of transgender self-identification. Their book features Danica Roem, the first trans woman elected to a US state legislature, and when I ask if someone with a beard and a penis can ever be a woman, Chelsea peers at me as if I’ve just asked if the sun rises in the east. “Ye-esss. Yes.” Hillary is looking uneasy. “

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nauticant · 14/10/2019 08:18

I have little doubt Chelsea Clinton is intelligent. Possibly keenly so.

It's just another case of a progressive knowing what they have to say while their brain is going "do not think critically about this. do not think critically about this. do not think critically about this."

I'm sure there were clergy during the Inquisition who thought "I don't much care what the line is supposed to be, I'm definitely going to be on-board".

FannyCann · 14/10/2019 08:08

I've never been in an American hospital so my "knowledge" is drawn from TV shows but isn't it the case that most patient accommodation is in either single rooms or maybe a double or triple? These rooms I presume are going to arranged on "wards" whatever they call them over there. So I think she'd get quite a shock if she looked around an older NHS hospital with bays of ten or more.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 14/10/2019 08:08

She’s American (and daughter of ex president) I suppose if she needed to see a doctor or go into hospital here it would be private not the local nhs.

She is ignorant.

Whatisthisfuckery · 14/10/2019 08:06

Didn’t she go to Oxford? If so then I assume she does know what the NHS is. Whether she ever spent any time in an NHS hospital though I don’t know. Probably not for herself.

Beamur · 14/10/2019 08:04

I think Chelsea should actually spend some time on an NHS ward, or perhaps a mixed sex psychiatric unit and see how the women in those places feel about it.
The ignorance in the attitude that it's all right by me, therefore I can't see any problems with it infuriates me.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 14/10/2019 08:01

Does she even know what the NHS is? Ever set foot on a ward?

AncientLights · 14/10/2019 08:00

I had to stop reading at the bit where Chelsea pronounces herself 'thrilled' that the NHS puts TW on women's wards.

Could there be a clearer example of the privileged showing they have no understanding or concern for the less-privileged? And does Chelsea understand that this means women having strange men within a few feet of us when we are extremely vulnerable? Probably not.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 14/10/2019 07:58

Chelsea and her kids won’t ever be in a situation of sharing a nhs ward, prison or reduce facilities with someone like - well we all know who (we read the papers).

She has had a privileged life. She can put her hand in her pocket and buy the healthcare and resources of her choice.

I thought she was supposed to be intelligent?

SunsetBeetch · 14/10/2019 07:57

*fool/tool. Definitely not cool.

SunsetBeetch · 14/10/2019 07:55

Chelsea is friends with Charlotte Clymer. Says it all. She's a dool.

Candidpeel · 14/10/2019 07:51

"Chelsea is now fixing me with a furious stare. When I point this out, she laughs — “I’m a terrible actor” — and says quietly but emphatically: “I am thrilled by the NHS’s decision. Because how can you treat someone if you don’t recognise who they feel and know in their core they are? And I strongly support children being able to play on the sports teams that match their own gender identity. I think we need to be doing everything we can to support kids in being whoever they know themselves to be and discovering who they are.”

I turn back to Hillary, who is looking conflicted. “I think you’ve got to be sensitive to how difficult this is,” she says. “There are women who’d say [to a trans woman], ‘You know what, you’ve never had the kind of life experiences that I’ve had. So I respect who you are, but don’t tell me you’re the same as me.’ I hear that conversation all the time.”

She says the pair don’t argue about it, but I get the impression they don’t like to present anything less than a united front to the world."

zanahoria · 14/10/2019 07:48

I wonder what Chelsea's reaction would be if her daughter showed athletic promise ?

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TottieandMarchpane · 14/10/2019 07:22

I wonder how those conversations go in private.