In-fighting within the GC feminist movement

I left Twitter a long time ago. The place really is a cess pit.

OP with regards to Twitter the phrase 'never wrestle with a pig. You'll both get dirty and the pig enjoys it' .
It is a sewer. Avoid it and the world will seem so much better. You can make a difference in many other ways as I think MN has shown.

Maybe youre new to politics OP, but infighting is rife in every single movement. In different waves of feminism. In the left, in the right, in religions. Its not as if all trans people are in agreement either

Ive watched all sorts of shit go down in the feminist movement. Loads of fall outs.

Actually, I have had that very thought tonight. There are women, whom I admire a great deal as people, as feminists, as fighters, currently involved in a battle of words (and deeds) that is making me very uncomfortable.

I struggle, because I don't know enough about the history of all involved, to know how I feel about it. I don't know where my 'loyalties' lie - I find myself annoyed at each of them in turn and hate it because it just confuses me. And then I find myself reluctant to post here because posters I admire are either oblivious to it, or denying it. So again, confused.

Plus - and this is probably the biggie - it's a gift to the TRAs (whereas, actually, that should be the least of my concerns, coz who gives a fuck what they think, when women are turning away?)

I used to work almost solely with men, I put up with so much shite - but you know what, it was a lot easier. Fuck, that's sad.

Discussions even heated ones are not in fighting.

Humans have different opinions.

^Jean not Jane Hatchet that was an actual typo

Do they engage with the people fighting? Walk away? Block the trouble-makers?

Most people engage if they have something to say, walk away if not.

Blocking isn't a thing here as we are not twitter.

Glitter

There has been discussion like this in the past here and there are differences of opinions over certain things.

But there's also difference of opinion in other 'movements' eg the trans umbrella and what 'pride' is all about.

There's also been a range of goady fuckers attempting to stir up division here with queries about 'disagreements' which gets merrily screen shotted for twatter.

There have been monumental fall outs, Posie Parker fell out with Jane Hatchet for one, Venice Allen fell out with um... can't remember, and also I think the two of Man Friday Amy Desire and Hannah someone fell out with each other. Even Glinner, "Uber ally" fell out with a GC ally. But you know what I can't remember exactly the detaila because it doesn't matter.

It's frankly to be expected. Being GC is very stressful, it makes you a target, and it's virtually impossible to do everything right 100% of the time. But all of these people I mentioned keep going, they regroup, they forgive and forget, move on, the cause is what matters.

They have never left the cause behind, which is fighting against the madness and protecting women's rights.

All you can do is go about it your own way. There is no script, directive or manifesto for GC feminism.

Glitter if you're looking at this through a Twitter lens, you may get a rather nasty impression about ... well, everyone on there. It doesn't seem to be somewhere conducive to warm relations, to put it mildly. I left months ago and feel much better for it.

There isn't really a 'GC movement' as such.

Radical feminism has always been critical of gender stereotypes as they harm women.

Other people are beginning to be critical of gender stereotypes for other reasons; eg impacting educational outcomes between the sexes.

One can observe that rigid gender stereotypes could lead people to think they're in the 'wrong' body as they prefer stereotypes attributed to the other sex. This (can) harm men and women.

Other groups are critical of gender/ trans for religious reasons.

Oh what fucking rot.

Women have arguments with each other. And?

People in opposition to genderism don't always agree. And?

You know what does the most damage? Banging on and on about this shit. If it bothers you, OP, why not spend your time doing positive things and ignore arguments?

Almost as if you're only in it for the gossip.

Some people are more extreme in their views than others 🤷‍♀️

There is priority 1 (protecting women and girls) which everyone agrees on then there are many other discussion points which aren't so clear cut.

Another sad attempt at divide and conquer. Yawn.

I've seen that. However, it isn't an organisation with leadership and rules. It's a massive bunch of individuals who happen to agree on one issue. They gather around specific tasks and events, then head off to different corners/political parties etc.

Yes, sometimes women disagree, often robustly. So?

Think about why this bothers you. Must women always always be nice,polite and amenable? Should we just block people when they have a different point of view?

Disagreements happen in all walks of life.

S’none of my business though.

You may need to be a little more specific, OP.

Occasionally the TRA political lobby work on creating rumours of in fighting in divide/conquer attempts on here - which is tedious because there isn't a 'side', there isn't a GC ideology with insistence on purity and specific adherence to principles as there often is with the TRA lobby, so it tends to be projection more than anything else.

From what I've seen, GC women just want women's rights and needs recognised, safeguarding maintained, ethics followed, that kind of thing. That's about all they have in common.

I don't think you are coming from any place genuine, op.

There is no GC movement.

I see discussion. Sometimes robust. Sometimes disagreement. That's fine. Its not a political party, with leader, formal structure and a manifesto.

A group of individuals discussing feminist issues from a broadly common perspective. Am glad it's not full of sheep, I learn more from the robust discussion than I would in an echo chamber.

Op, are you looking for somebody to identify arguments for you? How odd. Just what would you like to talk through?

You made a point about mentioning men.

I think you need to give examples. I do occasionally see people's falling out, but just move on and concentrate on the issues.

I mostly interact with women about feminism, so don't know what happens with male allies.