Men only job

Maybe like a colour wheel?

I've read the article.

It talks about "new thinking" and not "new evidence".

Here's an NHS document that dates from only last month:

improvement.nhs.uk/documents/6005/Delivering_same_sex_accommodation_sep2019.pdf

It refers throughout to "opposite sex". Why do you think it does that if there are more than 2 sexes?

And I still don't understand why the existence of intersex people means that perfectly standard men should be put in women only places on their say so.

That doesn't follow at all.

what odd contributions!

The words binary and spectrum don't half get abused. I prefer dimorphism, its a bit less open to the nonsensical waffle about how babies are made.

The hostility shown by people that believe humans can be simultaneously both on a spectrum and dimorpically the opposite sex is tiresome.

If you believe that, fine, go ahead, but spare us the insults if we don't.

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Your link doesn't say what you think it says.

Telling mothers that they don't think boys being raped is as bad as girls is odd. Do you really believe that that's what women on here believe?

Why aren't you reading the article???

It says: We are perhaps used to thinking of sex as a binary: male/female. However, this is misleading. We now understand that for some people, the simple sex designation of male or female does not fit. Historically, such people were called ‘hermaphrodites’ but this is offensive, out-of-date language now. The term ‘Intersex’ would be used instead. In clinical terms, Disorders of Sex Development may be used but some patients do not like this.

There's even a diagram!!!!!!!

I'm not saying that pregnancy as a result of rape isn't absolutely horrific but rape isn't more horrific for fertile women then it is for infertile women, children, etc etc which is what the original post about it said!!! It was their post that said even 5 years old can get pregnant so I don't know why you're criticising me rather than her lol (of course I do know.) I don't know why I'm still here because it's like yelling at s brick wall.

When you look at it

It's really quite bonkers

That women who say they are not keen on everything that has been put in place for our safety, wellbeing and advancement. Being opened up to everyone. And ignoring the basic and obvious problems that will be raised for women and girls

Get accused of thinking boys being raped isn't very bad.

And the person who wrote it thinking oho gotcha.

And the absolute disregard of the impact on women and girls of becoming pregnant as a result of rape is interesting as well.

" biological sex isn't binary. I don't know what reading you've done but the NHS literally tell you this"

The same NHS also has many references to people of "the opposite sex", eg when referring to mixed sex wards. If there are more than two biological sexes, what is this "opposite" that they are referring to?

Erm nice try.

You'll see thats not what I said at all.

This is mn. Obviously women on here think child sex offences are bad. I mean. Come off it.

Your gotcha is hopeless.

Your dismissal of any additional trauma on top of a rape of becoming pregnant, especially if you're a young child (5 is extreme, could of cases with 10yo in the news recently) is v v telling though.

Yep that NHS link says gender...not sex.
Still not clear on how many biological sexes there are and so I'll have to hate in peace having not been informed by 99...

@Fraggling so you agree it would be worse for a 5 year old girl to be raped than a 5 year old boy due to the risk of pregnancy? Also it would be worse if a woman was raped before her hysterectomy than afterwards?? I'm not the one who is a f*ing psychopath.

I'm going to link the NHS article one more time because people don't seem to have read it!! www.gp.brightonandhoveccg.nhs.uk/new-thinking-about-gender
The NHS say you can be male, female or intersex and that it is a spectrum!

I'm not getting anywhere I'm literally having to repeat myself over and over whilst people tell me I'm not who I feel and say I am and I'm not what doctors tell me I am because they know better lol. I'll leave you to hate in peace

Well the fact that with women and girls, rape can result in pregnancy, is just that, a fact. I'd say that anyone who can't see that pregnancy as a result of rape introduces an additional layer of distress and harm, is no friend of women or girls. In places with no abortion, they have to bear that child. Yeah I'd say anyone who doesn't see why that's a bit shit either hates women or is a psychopath tbh.

@99luftballons99 but but don't go...how many biological sexes are there?

It’s not beliefs. It’s science 🤦‍♀️

I'm actually so shocked at @bd67th comment and how no one is disagreeing with her?!?! It's like you can say anything as long as you hate trans people!!! Are you seriously saying if a 5 year old girl is raped that is worse than if a 5 year old boy is raped because of the possiblity of her getting pregnant???? Is no one else going to question this????? I'm absolutely lost for words.

I sent a link to an NHS article stating sex is not binary and was quoted back a random guardian article... I've hit a brick wall, you guys will just hear what you want to back up your own beliefs. I'm done, you've won your space back there's now no one else in here with beliefs any different from yours. Hope that feels safer for you.

Oh and

metro.co.uk/2019/09/24/mum-abandoned-adopted-girl-9-claims-really-22-wanted-kill-family-10797257/

Sorry, bold fail!

Has 99 left us? I really want to know how many biological sexes there are!

I read an article today about someone adopting a six year old who was actual a 22 year old dwarf who tried to kill their whole family!!

With respect, a person with drawfism has limbs that are a different proportion to a child's so this is quite any easy one to call out.

(I can't watch horror films with dwarfs since Don't Look Now.)

Yes who added the I and why?

I know that Jessica Yaniv is very keen on claiming "intersex" having told the human rights tribunal that they have both female and male genitalia, and having their mother confirm to the same tribunal that they began menstruating at 13. Based on that I have a feeling the why is quite easy to deduce, finding out who first came up with the idea would be harder to ascertain.

I read an article today about someone adopting a six year old who was actual a 22 year old dwarf who tried to kill their whole family!!

Youve been misinformed...thats complete bollocks and the plot to a film called The Orphan

There have been updated articles about it

Yes who added the I and why?

Someone beat me up on a date because I told him about my story and he said I was "trying to trick him into sex with a tranny".

This was male violence though. Women, including "T**Fs", are not responsible for male violence. Men alone are responsible for their appalling behaviour.

People assume I'm trans

And placing "I" under the rainbow umbrella will only add to that conflation of two unrelated things.

99luftballons99 Sex, in the one respect that really counts, is a boolean with a null option. You can have "releases sperm", "releases ova", or "releases no gametes".

Gametes are the only arbiter of sex that count at baby-making time, which is what gametes are for. Other stuff, like breast size, penis length, hypospadias, etc might well be affected by five chromosomes, but in reproductive terms they are window-dressing.

With the people who release no gametes, the diagnostic path to determine why will vary based on sex, as explained by at least one PP.

Also bd67th, what are you on about?!?!

The reality that noone male can be made pregnant by a rapist.

How about women who are raped bit can not have children???

Do these women know that they cannot have children? Many infertile women don't know that they are infertile until they start TTC. So an infertile woman could be raped and fear pregnancy, in a way that no male would.

Because of their age,

Age isn't a guarantee of infertility. Girls have given birth as young as five, conceiving at age four. The oldest mother via unassisted conception was 59.

that they are on birth control, that the rapist used a condom,

These can fail.

they were anally raped,

Semen can spill across the perineum after anal sex to enter the vagina and cause pregnancy, it only takes one drop. The rapist can pull out of the anus and enter the victim's vagina and she runs that risk throughout the rape.

they are infertyle, etc etc etc?!?!

Does she know that she's infertile?

It's not just about the possibility of pregnancy, but the fear of forced pregnancy. No male fears pregnancy.

@99luftballons99

I am not saying that I think the NHS et al are wrong. I have no issue with anyone stating they are intersex, but I take issue with what you are saying.

You say that sex is not binary, so how many sexes (not genders) are there? You appear to be saying that a female (or male) with DSD is a new, different type of biological sex and that there is a small number of the global population who are neither male or female, is that right?

I'm fascinated by this and yes, it could be considered nosy, I have read a handful of personal stories of both men and women who live with a DSD condition. I like learning about new things I have never known about, I have a curious mind and like taking to people (and experts) in whatever field of study a topic relates to.

I appreciate that you do not want to share medical history, even anonymously, but someone who has DSD do you think that you are neither male or female but something else entirely? Something in between? Inter-sex?

Seems to me the nhs knows what sex is...

www.theguardian.com/society/2019/mar/29/male-nhs-doctors-earn-17-more-than-their-female-peers