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CYCLING CHAMPIONSHIPS - Manchester

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Sicario · 10/10/2019 10:00

Heads up - cycling championships in Manchester this weekend, which I hope will be televised so everyone can see that there is a male competing in the female category.

The male competitor has been bragging about setting new records and personal bests in the female category.

I am going to get as many men to watch this as possible, to shed as much light on this as I can. I will be asking local pubs to play it on their TVs. (No pun intended.)

I also hope that no woman will be forced to smile on a podium with a cheat.

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andyoldlabour · 15/10/2019 09:27

SnowyZ

Welcome to the madness, it has been happening for a while now, but only really became public last October. Here are some links to other "lumps" who have invaded women's cycling.

pedalmag.com/who-is-michelle-dumaresq-why-is-she-so-important/

interactives.stuff.co.nz/2018/03/a-level-playing-field/

cyclistsalliance.org/articles/i-am-finally-human/

www.cyclingweekly.com/news/latest-news/rachel-mckinnon-becomes-first-transgender-woman-win-track-world-title-397473

www.tnwcteam.com/about/

SnowyZ · 15/10/2019 00:08

Oh God! I used to follow a lot of cycling events as a keen cyclist myself, but not so much the last few years since having a child. I had no idea about this!! I'm absolutely gutted for the female cyclists. Professional cycling still has a long way to go for sex equality, yet now males are allowed to compete in the female category. Great. Dreading tomorrow's result now Sad

RedToothBrush · 14/10/2019 21:04

www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/10103491/transgender-athletes-womens-sport/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
THE FUTURE OF SPORT Transgender athletes – the controversy that could bring down women’s sport

This is the Sun which I know a lot of people have a problem with, but it's still important this story gets to every audience possible

There are copious amounts of Kinnon photos in this.

AnyOldPrion · 14/10/2019 16:35

Surprised the protrans lobbies aren't more cautious about TW in elite sport as it is likely to scupper their progress

I get the impression some of them live in a bubble where they have convinced themselves they have right on their side and that their campaign only needs to demonstrate this and everything will follow. The situation in Scotland where they led with self-ID in prisons on the grounds that when it worked there, everyone would see it was fine is equally (even more?) breathtaking in its naivety.

2Rebecca · 14/10/2019 16:08

I think when males start winning women's medals in numbers, which they will unless the rules are changed there will be a backlash. It's just horrible for the current cohort of female athletes to lose out until the sporting bodies see sense. Surprised the protrans lobbies aren't more cautious about TW in elite sport as it is likely to scupper their progress

OhHolyJesus · 14/10/2019 14:41

You're probably right forever we can't have anything for ourselves, at least not for long. It was a pipe dream, it's worth fighting for the space we already have in existing competitions. We need to hang onto that and not reinvent the wheel. I hope Tokyo (and other tournaments) does something to roll back the ridiculousness on this.

ForeverFaff · 14/10/2019 13:58

As soon as a thing is put up as purely for women, men will attack it, infiltrate it, ridicule and demean it until it's all but ruined.

OhHolyJesus · 14/10/2019 12:37

I'm not remotely involved with sport and I'm barely interested in it, but does anyone feel like a feminist uprising is required?

Tennis clubs didn't recognise women for ages and it was a fight to have women included, obviously that fight continues...but wasn't it Billy Jean King who threatened to go off and start her own women's tournament?

I'm under no illusion, the Olympics is huge and historical and amazing etc but if women's races includes men and that isn't going to change beyond Tokyo next year then maybe we need to start again.

I'm daydreaming I suppose...

MrGHardy · 14/10/2019 12:31

500m TT and sprint. Both disciplines where his male muscular advantage is greatest. What a surprise.

ThePankhurstConnection · 14/10/2019 12:21

Wonder if RM is very charming in person

Not if footage of them lecturing is anything to go by.

AnyOldPrion · 14/10/2019 11:45

Wow GirlDown, that is quite some fawning.

Wonder if RM is very charming in person.

andyoldlabour · 14/10/2019 09:16

Here is the timetable. It looks as though the "lump" will be appearing tomorrow in the 500m TT (late in the day, and then Friday in the sprint qualifying Early start).

www.cyclingmasters.com/site/riders/timetable

SlowasaSnail · 13/10/2019 20:33

I’m afraid both the UCI and British Cycling both subscribe to IOC trans rules so we cannot be certain all competitors in the women’s events are actually women.

2Rebecca · 13/10/2019 19:59

I've been following it on twitter. Really hope all other women competing except Mckinnon are female but the current laws make me doubt all women's medal sadly. Sports organisations need to clarify the fact that people competing as women should not have a Y chromosome (and have a testosterone below 5). I don't want to be looking suspiciously at women on the podium, I want to know that they are female and have not had a male puberty and male pelvis and physiology.

Cismyfatarse1 · 12/10/2019 20:48

Amy of the British competitors likely to complain? British tabloids attending? Hope so.

AugustL · 12/10/2019 20:34

www.cyclingmasters.com/site/riders/entries

AugustL · 12/10/2019 20:34

I see the name on the entry list but can't see when the race, maybe iits my device www.cyclingmasters.com/site/

AugustL · 12/10/2019 20:32

When is it? Not that I want to give this individual the attention they love. I know it's invasive but is this person on hormones and are testosterone checks done? I know it's not just testosterone that is the issue here and that males have various biological advantages apart from that and that are not altered by that.

LoveGrowsWhere · 11/10/2019 09:54

"#HerThighness" bleurgh

aliasundercover · 11/10/2019 09:21

it's been said before, but I don't like the 'LGBT inclusion' stuff. There are no issues with 'LGB' so don't use those initials to gain support. The problem is T.

DuMondeB · 11/10/2019 09:03

It’s absolutely pissing with rain in MCR today.

Welcome to town, Rach!

BarbaraStrozzi · 11/10/2019 07:33

I feel the need to join in the fangirling - something along the lines of "Yay inclusion. Go inclusion. Isn't it great that all sports now include peen. Including (yay more inclusion) the ones for people without peen."

Maybe we'll get a spot in the Paralympics. The Y2 category. Y because we're deficient in Y chromosomes (the default human position) and 2 for the second class status we've always had. Yay, go us.

Of course then the transablist movement will get in on the act and people with Y chromosomes who feel like they oughtn't to have Y chromosomes will compete...

Oh Brave New World, to have such creatures in it.

GirlDownUnder · 11/10/2019 01:39

Not quite the non-event or to be downplayed as nothing important. From RMs twitter for further elucidation.

mobile.twitter.com/rachelvmckinnon/status/1182292721337344001

Dr. Rachel McKinnon @ rachelvmckinnon
Replying to @ ohheybiology
I'm speaking at the Pride Sports Summit this afternoon, doing a sit down interview with Sky News...and then defending my world championship title!
I leave the 20th.

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mobile.twitter.com/JenWattsDesign/status/1182346057017151488

Jen Watts @ JenWattsDesign
Bit of a fan girl moment on meeting @ rachelvmckinnon
who apart from being very inspiring was absolutely lovely and very cool 🚴🏻‍♀️

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mobile.twitter.com/jonboy79/status/1182345840360349700

Jon Holmes @ jonboy79
Having followed @ rachelvmckinnon’s sports story from across the pond, it was fascinating to chat to her in person at the #PrideSportsSummit at @ IWHCmanchester today, alongside our event host @ LouEnglefield of @ PrideSportsUK. Thanks for such a frank and fun conversation 🙏🏳️‍🌈

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mobile.twitter.com/Angharad___/status/1182333715621564417

Angharad Englefield Nelson @ Angharad_
So good hearing from @ rachelvmckinnon today! Incredibly articulate, inspiring and funny 👏🏻😍

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mobile.twitter.com/just_jamie1990/status/1182328625573576705

Jamie Hooper @ just_jamie1990
WHAT an end to another totally inspirational day!

@ jonboy79 facilitating a conversation with @ LouEnglefield and THE @ rachelvmckinnon - yes that’s right!!

Such a special moment and just the most perfect icing on the cake in an incredible week of #LGBT+ inclusion in sport! ❤️🌈⚧️

CYCLING CHAMPIONSHIPS - Manchester
Pthagonal · 10/10/2019 23:55

Err, Ram's is an autocorrect for RM. Sorry I didn't spot it before I posted. Blush