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More nonsense from The Guardian

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pachyderm · 08/10/2019 07:40

www.theguardian.com/society/2019/oct/07/innout-trans-woman-harassment-california

No comments allowed of course. No empathy for the women frightened and threatened by a large male person in their space. A misleading cartoon picturing a woman who in no way resembles said large male person.

They also have a piece this week about how empowering Japanese rope bondage is. I shouldn't even click on the paper any moreAngry

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DuMondeB · 08/10/2019 14:37

TLDR: ‘Staff member does job as tasked, overly sensitive person tries to make cash out of being offended’

Germ1360 · 08/10/2019 14:35

"the company declined to make the manager available for an interview". Good, if they'd have done that they'd have been throwing her under the bus, she'd probably have had death threats.

Also, the bit about just wanting to pee "without you kicking the door in and dragging us out". That didn't happen to you, though, did it. Arrrgh.

And lol at lafemme bear wanting to be judged on talent rather than tokenized as a black transwoman. Yeah, the way to do that is definitely to have an article centering on your identity as a black transwoman. And keep referring to yourself as such.

EmpressLesbianInChair · 08/10/2019 12:10

"its British readership is not responding well to the ever present begging bowl"

I pay to read the Times. I've been paying to read it since Speaker's Corner.

Because they've stuck their neck out for women, they publish great feminist content and I'm happy to support them.

The Guardian, on the other hand, prove over & over again that they don't give a flying fuck about us.

ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 08/10/2019 12:02

I felt she was trying to look at my genitals, attempting to determine my gender

Again with the genital obsession and projecting it onto others.

I'm 45 years old, I started working with the public aged 14. I must have met thousands upon thousands of people over the years and in all that time never once have I felt the need to see an adult someone's genitals in order to ascertain their sex, no matter how they were dressed.

It might be difficult to tell in small children, but adults? Even kids approaching puberty? Nope. Dead easy. No one was looking at your genitals, mate. No one needs to. We can all tell your sex from your face, hands, shoulders, hips, walk, talk, smell.

PhonicTheHedgehog · 08/10/2019 11:44

I felt she was trying to look at my genitals, attempting to determine my gender

I’m confused by this sentance. I thought there was no match between gender and genitals?

It does sound an awful thing to go through. I wonder how this could have been avoided...?

zanahoria · 08/10/2019 09:55

"its British readership is not responding well to the ever present begging bowl"

I would only give money if it was a proper membership scheme where the members had a say in running the paper

Correct me if I am wrong but the Guardian hasn't said much about the Old Vic toilets - a feminist protest in a London theatre? Can you get more Guardinista than that? - but we're supposed to care about some random trans woman in California?

ArranUpsideDown · 08/10/2019 09:50

"After this terrible 30 second, non violent, experience, the poor oppressed person could not work in any shape or form, and needs you to pay them all your money"
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And while I have no wish to belittle anyone's suffering, it seems to me that this 'harassment' is less threatening than the usual shit from men that women are used to putting up with

Quite - in everyday hassle news, women everywhere recall how they had to sit an exam/go through a job interview/participate in a vital meeting straight after an incident while walking there where they were being followed and surrounded/intimidated by a large group of young men and it could all have gone horribly wrong.

I wish a harassment-free life for all of us. Like others, I do sometimes wonder what some people's understanding of harassment is.

NotBadConsidering · 08/10/2019 09:38

I would rather challenge 100 trans women “just trying to pee” than allow my DDs in the same toilets as someone like Katie Dolatowski:

www.womenarehuman.com/transgender-admits-restroom-sexual-attack-voyeurism-against-adolescent-girls-katie-dolatowski/

When are TRAs going to tell us how we are meant to tell the difference between the two?

LangCleg · 08/10/2019 09:29

How was any woman frightened and threatened in the account of events given?

Because they left the toilets in a state of fear and went to complain to the manager.

You seemed to need it spelling out - HTH.

pachyderm · 08/10/2019 09:20

Tonerre the management had received several reports of a man in the women's toilets. I would complain too, not because I'm a big meanie bigot but because experience has taught me constant vigilance as well as a desire to protect younger women who might not be as assertive. Men are a threat.

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TheProdigalKittensReturn · 08/10/2019 09:04

And behold, the woman who complained to the manager vanishes in a puff of Woke Smoke.

Tonnerre · 08/10/2019 09:02

No empathy for the women frightened and threatened by a large male person in their space.

How was any woman frightened and threatened in the account of events given?

TemporaryPermanent · 08/10/2019 09:01

The law says this person can use the toilet of their chosen gender. However, this person cannot control how other people see them. I have no doubt that racism was a factor in this, and that's just shit. It also sounds unpleasant to be stared at while on the toilet. This person does in fact have legal and practical access to both male and female toilets, unlike the person who made the complaint. If using the male toilet makes these incidents less likely to occur, I wonder if they would consider doing that? Life might be significantly better. I certainly used to use the men's toilet in the interests of not pissing myself in the ladies queue, though I have now stopped doing this in the understanding that men deserve privacy too.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 08/10/2019 08:59

Relevant!

www.sinfest.net/view.php?date=2019-09-17

LangCleg · 08/10/2019 08:58

That is a bit of a bad sign, isn't it, having to turn off comments on a significant number of your articles because you know that if you turn them on your readers will let you know how poorly served they feel by your "news coverage"?

Yes! It's not as though they're plagued by "enemy" commenters either. It's their own readership.

TheHeathenOfSuburbia · 08/10/2019 08:55

And while I have no wish to belittle anyone's suffering, it seems to me that this 'harassment' is less threatening than the usual shit from men that women are used to putting up with

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 08/10/2019 08:53

There's a video on the site of the person who wrote the article in which they're performing with a guitar player, and that reminded me to plug Sinfest! Which has been getting more and more pointed in its depictions of all kinds of woke misogyny over time. Start here, go backwards.

www.sinfest.net/view.php?date=2019-09-30

TheHeathenOfSuburbia · 08/10/2019 08:52

Why are a burger chain responsible for this person's emotional problems?

I think if you successfully sue in the US you get extra money for emotional damage? so you should very much play up the hurty feelz with an ongoing court case.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 08/10/2019 08:47

That is a bit of a bad sign, isn't it, having to turn off comments on a significant number of your articles because you know that if you turn them on your readers will let you know how poorly served they feel by your "news coverage"?

I'm not sure how they think that's a sustainable business model in the long term.

LangCleg · 08/10/2019 08:42

The Guardian only cares about it's American market these days

Yep.

The trust fund is running out and its British readership is not responding well to the ever present begging bowl, nor taking kindly to the Woke lecturing - to the extent they're unable to open comments on half their articles.

HandsOffMyRights · 08/10/2019 08:36

Its

HandsOffMyRights · 08/10/2019 08:35

Why do vanity and validation outweigh women and children's rights to safety and privacy?

In it's attempts to appear enlightened, the Guardian is an extremely backwards thinking puppet.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 08/10/2019 08:32

Hey, they totally identify as being talented.

yetanotherusernameAgain · 08/10/2019 08:32

Did none of you read the part where she says the manager looked into the stall (American toilets have a wide gap at the stall door)? I would feel violated if someone peered in at me while I was using the toilet.

kaldefotter · 08/10/2019 08:31

I’d take these incidents and subsequent articles with a large pinch of salt. While the Guardian’s happy enough to publish them Hmm they always seem to be written by some performance artist looking for publicity because they’ve got something to promote.

There was Travis Alabanza before. Now this person’s promoting a single. They go looking to create an incident they can then complain about and get some attention.

I feel nostalgic for the days when artists got attention because they had talent.