Astonishing thread from Jane Fae, Darvo at its finest.

I don't share their faith but have never for a moment doubted that for the most part they're fundamentally good people. There's something wrong with any political theory that can't distinguish between Quakers and, say, Quiverfull.

My Dad ( not a quaker, but very supportive of Quakers ) was a committed Christian whose faith gave him strength throughout a horrible illness. He was , like most gently Christian people in Britain of his generation, not remotely right wing.
The Quakers are so interesting, many of them having moved to America to escape religious persecution here, were horrified by slavery and then campaigned strongly for its abolition, both in America and in the UK, where some wealthy land owners also made money from slave plantations in the Caribbean. The Quakers also fought for equality for women, for girls to be educated to the same level as boys.

Well, I think Vix should ask that her comment be reinstated. If women can't discuss the danger sensors and the reasons why a particular person sets them off in a feminist space then that space is in fact anti-feminist.

God forbid women might share their concerns with other women in the hope that women may be safer. On a feminist board of all places. Tsk.

SirVix presumably mentioning that you get creepy as hell danger vibes off a man is terribly mean and unfair and tarnishing their reputation. We're not allowed to acknowledge, speak about, or act on our self-preservation instincts lest we hurt anyone's feelings, remember?

Worth adding to the thread about the concept of civility and moderation that I started a while back possibly? I see nothing civil about deleting regulars who are attempting to discuss the reasons why a specific person sets their danger sensors off. Encouraging women to stifle their fears aids constructive debate, does it?

I think it is another example of taking a US centred world view and wrongly applying it to other cultures. Though to be honest I'm not sure it really holds up even in the US context, I suspect that in itself is a rather superficial reading based on half understood concepts of the Christian Right.

Can we not mention when someone makes us feel fear or revulsion , and sets our “danger” sensors tingling ? I assume I have those feelings about various people for good reason.
I tell my daughters not to ignore those feelings.. yet, deletion.

I've always wondered how people who assume that Christian = rabidly right wing fit Quakers into their worldview. Does he cognitive dissonance not give them migraines?

The assumption that religious = right wing is an interesting one.

Tends to originate from left-wing antitheists, in my experience. Yes I am looking at you, dad.

None of the openly Christian people I know are politically far right. A fair few of them are actually rabidly pro-Corbyn. I still get annoyed at the antitheists who tried to instil prejudice against them in me. Being religious doesn't automatically make someone a self-serving dick.

And my comment that quoted Vix is gone too, because God forbid women be able to discuss their shared fear of a rather alarming person.

Quite, SirVix.

Perhaps JF could start by reading up on the rather lovely Mr Peter Norman, 200m silver medallist at the 1968 Olympics. He, a white Australian, stood in solidarity with two black Americans because it was the Christian thing to do. It effectively cost him his career. Those two black Americans were pallbearers at his funeral.

Hands Across The Aisle infuriates because it demonstrates the fact that women of all political affiliations have shared concerns that we might choose to work on together. Concerns that not only aren't shared by Fae but that are in fact directly in conflict with what Fae wants.

It's a double whammy of "not one of us" and "btw not going to cooperate with your demands either".

Quaker family ancestor helped abolish slavery. I also get v angry at the equating of religion with the far right.

The assumption that religious = right wing is an interesting one.

Historically there have been many progressive movements where religious groups were at the forefront.

JF is not a very curious person evidently. Probably all the porn JF watches has limited JF ability to learn about the wider world.

Waterl00 thanks for posting the link to the breakdown of our evil right-wing funding sources. I've been looking forward to it.

It seems to contain just two points: that anonymous donations are sometimes considerably larger than a tenner; and that Hands Across the Aisle is doing exactly what it says on the tin.

Someone should probably tell JP that you don't have to be a right wing fundamentalist American nutter to think it's worth everyone temporarily pulling in the same direction on an issue of mutual importance, and that finding common ground isn't actually a bad thing.

I suspect domestic violence gone right is when you leave no visible bruises. The sort of DV which is beloved by middle class men who have a public image to maintain.

Indeed.
Random “I” in my post due to pre-caffeinated state..

Where women are successfully disciplined without breaking any bones if possible.

Yes. I what does JF think is “domestic violence gone well” ?

That quote in the screenshot... ‘domestic violence “gone wrong”’
To be contrasted, obviously, with domestic violence when it doesn’t “go wrong” - presumably considered an unproblematic hobby...

And a big part of the impetus behind trans activism is to a. render it impossible for women to name or explain that feeling, b. make us feel guilty about it and force us to try to bite down our natural impulse to get the hell away from the danger we sense and c. if all else fails, legally compel us to remain in potentially dangerous situations with the people whom every instinct is telling us to run away from.

The goal isn't to help the nice, relatively harmless femmey gay boys. That has never been the goal. Most women get along fine with the femmey gay boys, and don't have to be guilt tripped or legally compelled into being around them.

You're not seeing it because you're a man. If you're a woman? Fae wins by a mile. The Special Rules will not allow me to explain why.

Yes, I'm with you on this.

Have to chime in to agree. JF gives me a cold sinking feeling wired into people of my sex after 1000s of years of evolution to warn us of danger. Absolute pure instinct and I've learned not to ignore it. Gavin de Becker's "The Gift of Fear" is a good primer on the topic.