Astonishing thread from Jane Fae, Darvo at its finest.

Let's try phrasing this a different way.

Trigger warning for extreme sexual violence.

Suppose someone had a long track record of defending extreme porn. Including defending the writing of fantasies about real women (members of a girl band) in which the writer imagined dismembering these women and sexually assaulting the body parts. This defender of extreme porn also advocated the lowering of the age at which "actors" were allowed to take part in pornographic film making from 18 to 16.

This is not the sort of person I personally would want to be in an enclosed space with. Ever.

And that's based on that hypothetical person's track record of publications and interests and advocacy.

It would be really childish of me to make an elf on the shelf joke, wouldn't it?

Fairy tales are a centuries-old means of teaching children vital lessons, particularly around danger. One of their functions was to help children (especially girls) to listen to their instincts about threat, not to be foolishly trusting or automatically believe those who present themselves and their intentions as benign.
I read all the fairy tale books from the library. Most of them are not about frogs that turn into princes

have had a response from MN, they apparently had “a number of complaints

I bet they did.

Read the thread on Twitter....Fae is blocking anyone asking for proof of these insane claims

Has Fae actually provided any evidence for their allegations? Or are they still just promised.

I agree, awareness of creepiness is not the same as finding someone unattractive. I get that creepy feeling too. It's wrong to tell people to ignore their instincts, we often ignore them as it is and wish we hadn't! I experience uncanny valley sometimes...totally normal reaction when the brain receives contradictory information. We can also feel that we are being lied to when we see one thing but are being expected to see another, and that sends the red flags waving.

Really? I got a deletion from a Wikipedia copy and paste?

how anyone can then claim to be a feminist is beyond me, when all their daily activity points towards harming women

yes. I did point this out to the BBC when they billed JF as a 'feminist'. got the standard gaslighty reply

words have meanings. Fae ain't no feminist

Just noticed DuMonde got deleted too.

I take it we're not allowed to discuss variants of AGP in relation to named individuals?

I've saved you a deletion Kittens! Apparently, pointing this out about the knitting extreme porn advocate 'isn't in the spirit'.

I was about to draw that very comparison and compare the knitting to a bonnet. The frustrating part is that we all see it but nobody is allowed to say it.

I'd feel safer with Milo too tbh, and he'd certainly be easier to talk to.

Has anyone seen that film of Julie sitting along side JF and Milo Yiannopoulos? She could chat happily to Milo (who despite his various sexist beliefs I found easy to engage with) but she looks incredibly uneasy with JF. MY doesn't engage with JF either. JF passively aggressively knits.

Didn't work very well on Julie Bindel!

It’s the whispering voice, over-familiarity and patronising tone and demeanour, combined with smug glances at the camera that get to me. Always always painting themselves as the voice of reason while some unhinged XX person rants incoherently. Any show of emotion is used as a weapon. I believe it’s called gaslighting.

Madame Defarge

That was the knitting name i wanted!

And yes anyone like that gives me the creeps, no matter how good a knitter they are.

Ugh fucking hell.

Anyone promoting violent porn which is effectively violence against women and is shown to affect how men treat women as well as how it impacts young teens developing brains is sickening and how anyone can then claim to be a feminist is beyond me, when all their daily activity points towards harming women.

I would be very interested in who those complaints were coming from. Obviously people who other people find creepy would probably prefer not to be described that way. That doesn't mean that nobody should be allowed to describe them as creepy. Are we going to have to come up with a code for the person who nobody must be compared to?

Jesus Vix, I'm not sure what's worse - the horrifying story or the fact that MNHQ are supporting the monitors in shutting us up.

Yet again, it would be very useful if the mod teams went on the freedom program to understand coercive control.

I have had a response from MN, they apparently had “a number of complaints” and it was to do with me comparing my feelings about the person in question, to my similar feelings about another person.

So presumably it is OK for me to say JF gives me the absolute creeps and there are no circumstances under which I would ever allow myself to be in the company of JF as long as I don't compare JF to other XY people who give me the same skin crawling vibe?

In which case JF makes me skin crawl and I never want to be around JF.

Thing is, if you get that gut feeling and remove yourself/from the situation and the person doesn't do anything/wasn't going to do anything, what's the worst thing that happens? That person is deprived of a social interaction? Now what happens if the person triggering the alarm was planning to do something and you ignore the warning bells and stay in that situation?

Logic says, if you get that feeling, get away from the person whose presence is making you feel that way. If that hurts their feelings then that's unfortunate but better than the potential alternative.