Woman only Hotel gets rave reviews

Even the reviews don't make sense.

This one - from "Visit Gay Spain" (so presumably it is addressed to lesbians?) - calls out to "female identifying" people. Then it, and the hotel, refers to female-only spaces

Milani, a nice UK female only holiday place, you say? Could you say where or PM me if it isn’t public?

Yeah their clientele bandwidth will definitely require corrective widening from the TRAs.

I’ve got no problem with it and I’m a man but was they might have been up being less safe for women than mixed sex ones if burly bearded blokes in skirts decide it to be to their liking. It seems like it could attract to them like moths to flame. All of these women there with no men about. Will probably only have female security and staff too who they’d be confident in being able to overpower

Shame it's not actually for women. Great idea though. Lots of women travel solo or without a male partner. Depending on where you are it can be a bit scary if there are lots of drunk men wandering around or staying in certain tourist heavy locations.

It won't appeal to all, but if there's a market for it, then I can see businesses wanting to tap into it.

When women only train carriages was mooted, I remember it being a very unpopular idea on FWR.
I don't see this as much different, but it seems broadly popular!

I remember guards on the northern line.

The tube thing, we used to have guards on our tube line till late 90s or something

They were always in the last of second last carriage so you knew where to find them and late at night people would choose that one. The people would be mainly teens of both sexes who were on their own, women in their own.

Lots of people are vulnerable and I would far rather see more staff around to help and a guard, for anyone who felt (was) vulnerable.

Some stations now, on mainline not sure about tube, no one there after dark. They are often badly lit and few people around, no passers by obviously.

This is the sort of thing where cuts or changes need impact assessments esp for women but also other groups. As they just stop using the service and don't make a fuss. Impacts ability to engage in normal life. And know full well if anything happens if they're female they will be blamed.

It's illuminating, isn't it? Nothing offends a straight man like the idea that a pool of women who he has no potential sexual access to exists. How dare women try to opt out of being available to them?

I saw this recently in a different place. Men were whining like crazy about it. I have never seen so much butt-hurt!

Don't know what is meant by "cunty kind". Not interested in this. Women only public transport though , I 'd go for,yep. I remember a big row between Labour MPs , mainly Stella Creasy, if I recall correctly, against Chris Williamson when he suggested to have a consultation on offering women-only train carriages as a 'safe space' to protect women after big rise in reported sexual assaults on trains. Stella was very angry. So we're other women MPs, journalists and women's charities. Personally as someone who travels a lot on trains in the evening/night, and have had my own bad experiences at any time of day actually I was all for it. Also for guards to be on trains.

"“It would be worth consulting about it,” Williamsom told PoliticsHome. “It was pooh-poohed, but these statistics seem to indicate there is some merit in examining that.

“Complemented with having more guards on trains, it would be a way of combating these attacks, which have seen a very worrying increase in the past few years.”

Williamson said he was not wedded to the idea “but it may create a safe space” though he stressed women would not be obliged to use it."

Labour MP Stella Creasy also said she did not welcome the revival of the idea. “Can we make all carriages safe for all passengers rather than restricting where we can go?” she tweeted.

“Doesn’t keep women safe to restrict their movements – it normalises attacks. We need to be clear they [the attackers] are problem, not women’s seating plans.”

Jess Phillips, Labour MP for Birmingham Yardley, called the policy an “absolutely terrible idea”, : “It is essentially giving up on trying to prosecute assaults. Also, men should be incredibly annoyed by suggestion they can’t control themselves.

“Sexual violence isn’t about urges, it’s about power. If you take your feminist cues from Saudi Arabia, you’ve gone wrong.”

• Well Stella, if you read what he said, women would not have to use it, and it's about restricting where men can go, not women. I do not think it normalises attacks or makes people think the attackers are not the problem. of course all carriages should be safe for everyone, how are you going to do this then? Hopefully you've sorted it in a couple of days before I'm on a late train? Also I disagree with Jess's assessment. It doesn't say anything about giving up on prosecution. Also, if you have to wait to prosecution to act, it's already happened. And what about things that don't merit prosecution but are still harassment? Yes it's about power, it's also about urges. www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/23/shadow-minister-faces-backlash-over-women-only-train-carriage-idea

They mocked and attacked him so hard over the mere suggestion of a consultation with women about the idea. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41028234

I just want to be able to feel relaxed and not on edge on a train , and public transport in general. Everywhere actually. Not having to "monitor" what men around me are doing, without looking them of course, no eye contact. Not saying anything about walking anywhere after dark because pffft that's out of the question. Mind you a woman was killed in a random attack, disappeared off the street in broad daylight, summer afternoon, near me. Body found nearby. Random murder.

I’m concerned by the wording on the page, especially the reviews. I went to that lovely female-only holiday place in England and absolutely nothing there was “feminine”. Nor should it need to be.

Gosh, I'm imagining actually being able to relax.

@Rachelover60 I read it to mean women who actually have a cunt as opposed to men saying they identify as women

NeedChoos: It's seems to be for the cunty kind too...
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What on earth does that mean?

I love this idea, especially in a holiday resort where there will be loads of drunk men. I'm sure this hotel would be illegal in the UK but glad it exists elsewhere.

Really? That's odd.

Or you mean that theres no discount for one, not that they won't take the booking!

That’s rubbish - it’s bad enough I have to share a room with DH!

you can't seem to book a room for single occupancy if you're a billy no mates comme moi.

They will be interested if it's not self id

On the other hand the TRAs won't be remotely interested now if there's no fight to be had, so hopefully it will be an actual female resort.

I saw the reply on Twitter. To be fair, it might be very difficult to decide nowadays to police who is, or is not a woman. It is not the hotel’s fault that governments are stupidly handing out legal documents with untruths on them.

I thought their wording was interesting. Rather than saying “documentation that shows they are women” they use the odd phrase “stating that they are considered thus”. I conclude they know male transitioners are not female.

@Jeanhatchet don’t they mean like a legal ID - so not ‘I am a woman, CALL ME MA’M’ written in green crayon on a bit of loo roll as ID?

Actually they aren't quite that relaxed are they, they want an ID doc and not sure how easy to get new docs in Spain.

But just rocking up and saying I'm a woman wouldn't cut it.

I think it's a great idea.

Self id aside.

This is the story of thing that sends mras and actually a lot of normal men into anger

They say
It's sexist
It's not fair
One for men wouldn't be allowed
And try to shut it down

Of course one for men would be allowed. But men don't want it so there aren't any. They just don't want women to have it.

Happens over and over.

And then self id comes back because it means actually men can go after all.

This is mra tra overlap.