Evidence that women generally prefer single sex lavatories.

^ deadringer , it's not going to happen because transwomen , regardless of how far they've transitioned or not, want to be in the ladies room, no other option will do really, they want to walk in the room with the ladies sign on the door , it makes them feel "validated" or whatever. but if they can't do that, then women aren't allowed to either, we have to all go in mixed sex... or is that mixed gender...? Women aren't allowed to be alone anywhere now, even when we use the toilet and change our sanitary wear, men have to be there too. Does someone keep statistics of sexual assaults in toilets? because i predict it's going to go up.

Sorry not the point of the thread but seeing that picture of the women queueing for the female only toilet really brought it home to me that if they are going to make one bathroom mixed sex toilets it should be the men's. It makes so much more sense, a small number of women will use them, especially if the queue for the ladies is long, so transwomen won't stand out in them, and neither will transmen, whether they pass or not. Seems like the ideal solution.

Criado-Perez

My autocorrect renamed her

And yes, I think there is a huge amount of racism in understanding that girls and women need single sex facilities in developing countries but that we have evolved beyond that.

And coupled with the fact that sexual assaults and rapes are on the rise, we also know it's a massive fucking lie.

@Zone4flaneur “this bothers me as well because it's racism- an assumption that men and boys in developing countries are more of a risk than men here.”

Absolutely.

How can we lecture the developing world about the need for single sex facilities in schools while dismantling safeguarding in our own?

Does this mean that we think human nature is somehow different in developed countries? That we are somehow better? More civilised?

Yeah right. We are all just one Brexit prepped can of beans away from anarchy.

Caroline Cristo-Perez on the Old Vic scamming women: www.thetimes.co.uk/article/women-cant-win-when-it-comes-to-loo-queues-l3szkbxhx?shareToken=128c150272803493f0cb10e06ea3b064

entran.home.blog/2019/10/05/the-bathroom-debate-is-a-mans-issue/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Just read this on Twitter and think we need single sex facilities even more now

Men don't want mixed sex either, in the whole.

Young men at work don't want to be caught checking their hair, teeth in the mirror when the girl they fancy walks in.

No one wants this.

'What was particularly outrageous about the Old Vic (I’m a Friend and a regular) was they fundraised to increase the wholly inadequate number of ladies’ loos then unveiled something completely different - mixed sex with/without urinal'

Hold on
So they raised money, probably a lot of it from women, to improve the provision of women's facilities

And then used it to REDUCE them by moving to 'cubicles with urinals' (which women won't generally use ' and' cubicles' which both men and women will use.

Thus reducing provision for women and giving men access to all.

Paid for by women, probably, mainly.

What utter utter bastards that's made me really angry. That fucking trolling, piss taking. Shows an utter contempt for women.

Give her the book Invisible Women - I dare anyone to read that and not think that sex segregated toilets are essential, as is the fact that women must be taken into consideration everywhere.

It's all backed up by evidence and actually makes you very angry reading it when you see in black and white how women are ignored - this is very much to our daily peril and our hard fought rights are further constantly under threat.

Was the person querying this by any chance a man? I'm trying to imagine a post that opened "I'm discussing this with a woman. I said women generally prefer single sex. She asked me if I'd ever seen any evidence of this." Nope. Can't imagine it.

m.digitaljournal.com/article/145378

There is evidence that female US soldiers died of dehydration in Iraq as they were too frightened to use the toilets after repeated sexual assaults.

@Figureof80 this bothers me as well because it's racism- an assumption that men and boys in developing countries are more of a risk than men here.

Looks likely but don't have a password. Perhaps an academic MN could see if this fits the bill? journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0038026119854274?journalCode=sora

The woman's hand soap has to be replaced about once a week and the men's hand soap lasts all year.... 🤢

On the subject of men washing their hands after going to the loo we have one male toilet and one female toilet at all work and we have an equal amount of male and female workers. The woman's hand soap has to be replaced about once a week and the men's hand soap lasts all year....

gem-report-2017.unesco.org/en/chapter/gender_recommendations/

en.unesco.org/news/what-makes-good-classroom-new-uis-data-school-conditions

Links above to 2017 Unesco Global Education Monitoring Report and 2019 UIS data which identify that single sex toilets are a key factor in achieving gender equality in education.

Why are single sex facilities recognised as vital for girls in developing countries and not in our own schools?

While on the subject of men peeing on toilet seats, there are women that quite easily seem to manage to do the same thing (despite having completely different plumbing). There are also women who have completely filthy toilet habits like smearing blood on the walls, leaving wet hand towels on the floor etc.

This in buildings tenanted by professionals and you would like to think people who should better.

That's bad enough without introducing a different gender/sex into the mix.

There should be some sort of alarm that beeps if someone tries to leave the toilet without washing their hands. And then goes and touches the communal coffee machine, etc.

Has anyone ever heard a woman say that men are what’s missing from their toilets?

Also agreeing that a lot of this is stating the obvious- we don’t need research to show that women don’t want to have to happen in on men pissing, shitting, wanking and especially because some men are not particular about closing or locking the doors accidentally, or on purpose.

Men that I work with have told us all about the other male colleagues who never wash their hands after using the men’s, showing a total selfish lack of hygiene.

What bd67th said. I actually think that anyone who thinks if there's no "evidence " of this it isn't true is just a fucking idiot, frankly.

Personally if I had no choice but to use a mixed sex facility I might but I would feel very uncomfortable. I absolutely would not want DD 11 to especially as she's at the age where she's starting to go shopping etc on her own with friends.

Show them this photo from France (remembering that apparently all toilets on the continent are mixed sex and we’re just prudes)

In all my travels around other European countries the only time I have encountered mixed sex loos was at remote campsites while trekking the Laugavegur Trail in Iceland.

I would suggest bringing up the information on school girls avoiding mixed sex toilets where they have been introduced, including not drinking all day and staying home during their periods. Maybe that will get through to your friend.

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/unisex-toilets-period-shaming-sexual-harassment-schools-girls-womens-voices-wales-a8784226.html

This is the crowdfunder poll

twitter.com/helenstaniland/status/1055128928174641153?s=19

Women Ask Questions commissioned privately crowd-funded research into gender identification with @PopulusPolls

Full results on fileshare: t.co/L9odRbxt2h

This has been going round on Twitter which is derived from this article

www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjF6OaryoTlAhWrAGMBHeXbD7cQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Flife-style%2Fwomen%2Fsexual-assault-unisex-changing-rooms-sunday-times-women-risk-a8519086.html&psig=AOvVaw0VD8c4qZe02hUPHSSp2G4a&ust=1570346399513294

plan-international.org/case-studies/good-sanitation-keeps-girls-school