"Abortion saves a woman from becoming a mother when she doesn't want to be. It can save her from poverty, from developing in her own life, education, career, or protect her from a difficult pregnancy and impacts on her existing family. It also prevents a child from being born so that person doesn't need to grow up as an unwanted child.
Surrogacy brings a life into the word, a wanted child, but for it to be removed from the one source of food, comfort, love and life it knows. It denies the baby what it knows and could also lead to a life of gaslighting where he/she doesn't know his or her biological origins. (There's a bit in the consultation where a person born of a surrogate can find out on a register if he or she is related to their partner!) "
Very poor arguments to be honest.
Pregnancy and having a baby doesn't stop you having an education or career. Stop telling women they have to abort their baby to have an education or career. I do not believe it still happens in the UK but if any employer still this day and age is refusing to hire/promote or an employer is firing a woman because they are or could become pregnant stop going along with this shit. Fight against it. That's not choice. No-one should be forced into an abortion for these reasons. Or because of poverty actually - that's economic coercion and a form of eugenics. Anyone having abortion for these reasons doesn't really want an abortion, their circumstances FORCE them to. That's nothing to be glad about. That's not "pro-choice" . Also, you know if she doesn't want to become a mother she can prevent it, and, an unwanted baby can grow up in a family who does want them and loves them immensely, it's called adoption. And regardless of what you reply, saying how terrible it is to be adopted, no dear, not buying it. I would rather be alive and adopted than dead. There are soooo many happyily adopted kids, and many people waiting wanting to adopt babies so also don't act like baby will be languishing waiting to be adopted. False. Stop trying to act like a child cannot have a happy life being raised by someone who didn't birth it, whether by adoption or surrogacy, that is a complete lie.
"and could also lead to a life of gaslighting where he/she doesn't know his or her biological origins. "
- so surrogacy shouldn't happen because some people may pick on the kid? the problem there is not the kid or their family or the surrogate, it's the one picking on them. You don't live your life based on if someone will pick on you or not.
U said this about surrogacy but it sounds like abortion, but with abortion you also kill it:
"removed from the one source of food, comfort, love and life it knows." "It denies the baby what it knows "
Don't pretend to care about babies and their comfort , food source and love, and "what it knows" implying an attachment formed with its mother during pregnancy if you support it being ripped, dismembered, and vacuumed out of the womb at any point during pregnancy. That's hypocritical.
"Body autonomy is essential for women to be in control. Making truly autonomous decisions about your body when you are vulnerable, or being persuaded or paid becomes difficult and sometimes impossible."
- stop acting like women can't make their own decisions about surrogacy . Assuming they are all vulnerable, being persuaded or doing it for money. How do you know a woman can make a "truly autonomous decision" to have an abortion?? With all the pressures and circumstances that can lead a woman to have an abortion, including the ones you listed, these abortions are NOT truly autonomous decisions.
No-one should support hypocrites, who pretend to care for the baby, claim it develops such a bond with the mother during pregnancy, talk about what it can hear from 18 weeks onwards , mothers heartbeat that calms it after birth , and recognising its mother's voice at around 24 weeks. But if the mother wants to kill it you think that's great, and the baby doesn't matter anymore, but if a mother wants to be a surrogate and give the baby to a loving family, you hate that. You claim it's selfish for the intended parents to want a baby , that it's selfish for the surrogate mother to give the baby to them, you plead "won't someone please think of the baby, and the bond it has created through pregnancy, it's so attached to the mother" , but if a mother decides she doesn't want the baby, she wants to kill it and dismember it with an abortion, you cheer for that, suddenly the baby doesn't matter one bit, somehow we don't need to think of the baby, it can't hear anything then, her heartbeat, her voice, the vacuum ripping it out of the womb, somehow apparently the mother isn't selfish for not considering the baby and killing her baby just because she wants to. The baby doesn't matter anymore. It's not even a human to you anymore. it's not even a fetus to you , it's "a clump of cells", until birth apparently. Magic. Go back to class. The separate human being in the womb apparently doesn't exist now. It's just part of her body like a kidney or other organ not a separate living unique entity inside her attached by a cord. Pretend it has no heartbeat or brain activity, pretend it isn t moving,.blinking and even sucking it's thumb, yeh it's true. Pretend spina bifida surgery can't be performed on it. let's pretend premature babies born when they are still at the age they can still be aborted don't survive. Pretend babies haven't survived abortion either. It's nothing, just "a clump of cells" , "her body". You know its not,.and that "her body her choice" can't apply when there's another body in there, unless you're happy and openly being a murderer. You know its legal murder, especially when the fetus is developing past 8 weeks but you have to rationalise this to yourself. As time goes on and medical advances, knowledge and imaging improves abortion will be seen as less and less acceptable. You're still in the dark ages. Strangely (unless.something goes wrong) the woman doesn't die when you kill the baby. But keep telling yourselves all that stuff if it makes you feel better. Lots of murderers in history have to dehumanise their victims first. The same baby only matters based on the thought in the mothers head. Wanted or not wanted. Same baby. If not wanted , die. You want us to believe that it's only human and only a baby the minute it pops out the vagina or c-section, before this it was nothing. Yaaaaah. Right. You still believe babies come from the stork? Ahh what's happening , does the clumps of cells magically turn into this at contact with the air? mobile.twitter.com/MEDlCALVIDOEOS/status/1096279143661088768
Just be honest, if a woman wants to kill her baby, you think she should be able to because it's inside her. At least this pro-abortion activist is honest mobile.twitter.com/VersoBooks/status/1136981132396957696 See also, www.thetimes.co.uk/article/yes-abortion-is-killing-but-its-the-lesser-evil-f7v2k2ngvf8
Strangely you are mad that someone is bringing a wanted baby into the world. Are you all just mad that these gay men love and want a baby that you would support being killed? I'd rather a baby be alive with loving parents than killed before it even got the chance to be born. Don't come and attack gay men and transgender people who actually want to love a baby that you wouldn't care about in an instant. act ing like these women are being pressured and used by the gays and transgender.
"They belong to your body, they feel safe with your body."
"They belong to their birth mother is all they know, instinctively, and is it proven time and again to be the safest place."
But if you want to kill them and rip them out, dismember, crush their skulls it's ok
Stop acting like a child cannot thrive if it isn't with its birth mother. That's total crap. Stop acting like a woman can't make a decision to be a surrogate, without some evil forcing her. Stfu. Patronising..homophobic, transphobic, hypocritical bigots.
Bye mumsnet.