Famous men and surrogacy

Buying a baby, literally.

Was the woman who gave birth the child's mother? Or was the egg donor? All this 'concern' for a baby who will probably only ever know total love and adoration from its Daddies. Surrogacy in the developed world is an act of kindness and selflessness. Women aren't doing it because they are being forced, they are giving a gift and most are not giving away their own biological child because an egg donor is used.

*unwoke

Where is this photo that everyoe has seen except me???

I think many people, men especially, and even many women, don't or can't comprehend the bond that grows between a mother and her baby during pregnancy. And even if the mother doesn't feel it, the baby certainly does.

...you would probably be taking your life into your hands to disagree with the wokeratie in Ireland. Luckily I live in a very uwoke, rural part of Ireland. The shit hasn't hit us yet. But even when I've been to Dublin, I haven't seen any of it. Single sex loos wherever I've been (mostly the airport!)

@yulet
I wasnt comparing the two, I was responding to the posts about how it's terrible for the baby not to get these things from the surrogate, and saying the baby would not suffer from not getting skin to skin or breastmilk etc
as some mother's cannot give them after birth

Unfortunately NotTonight it meant I didn’t really want much to do with her at all for the first 6-12 months (pnd)
She’s 14 now and we are very close fortunately

I do worry about the potential abuse in a surrogate situation. But actually, if I was a surrogate I know the only way I could it would be if I gave birth and did not take any maternal involvement whatsoever. I would not want the parents to include me in pictures etc. I would want them to be appreciative of me etc of course.

The biggest issue for me is that by definition surrogacy assumes that pregnancy is inconvenient but low risk. I have had v difficult pregnancies and dangerous births so the idea of surrogacy scares me.

@NotTonightJosepheen

I don't know why you are so angry about it, I'm sterelised so can't have any more children, my friend was a surrogate for her sister and received no financial game for doing so and I know or 2 other women who have done so I don't know the ins and outs of how it went about with them so can't really comment.
if my daughter wanted to do it I wouldn't stop her

Totally agree but you will get accused of homophobia. Personally I believe gay men should be able to adopt but I really don’t like surrogacy. They can’t biologically have children so that’s it. Adoption or child free.
Poor woman.
Also don’t like that they didn’t acknowledge the surrogate at all. At least Kim Kardashian and Kanye did acknowledge her when they announced the birth of their children through surrogacy.

I think it makes it worse Cheryl as then at least two women have sold their biology to creat a baby that will know neither of them.

Currently UK Law recognises the surrogate mother as the mother but the consultation seeks to change that. An egg donor isn't named and can remain anonymous but the child would be half of that person and would know only the mother before birth. That's just the biology of the situation, nothing to do with how good or bad the intended parents would be, straight, bi or gay.

surrogate's are not always the mum to the baby, yeh they have carried the baby but they are not there biological mum.
I don't know the details of this story but if the woman carrying the baby is not the mother does that make it different for you?

I saw that photo last night and felt the same as you op I'm completely against surrogacy as I think it's morally wrong to buy and sell human beings and it also exploits poor women. The fact that there was absolutely no mention of the childs mother really upset me and the photo could have been two men buying something from a store from the look of it.

Almost as soon as DD was born I was taken to surgery, I didn’t hold her until she was several hours old, DH dressed her and changed her 1st nappy etc.
Doesn’t really equate to selling my baby

"I know most of you will disagree with me but a lot of babies don't get skin to skin or straight on the breast, there mum is not there right away for medical reasons".

... so that's the same as a mum permanently abandoning a child for all time at birth?

Just as with prostitution I don't know what circumstances led the woman (in this case the mother) to that point so it is those who create a market I have a problem, with whether they are male or female.

And I say this as someone who desperately wanted children and needed medical treatment before I was able to carry a baby to term and feared I might never be able to.

How can Ireland of all countries allow the rich to buy babies again

the woman would have hardly been forced into it.
I'm going against the grain here, in that I don't find surrogacy a vile, horrible thing.
the woman was obviously quite happy doing this, the child is wanted and will be loved (presumably).
I think it's a commendable and selfless thing for someone to do. imo
I know most of you will disagree with me but a lot of babies don't get skin to skin or straight on the breast, there mum is not there right away for medical reasons etc and the baby is not scarred for life because of that .

I don't think the mum is some blameless angel here either.

However personally I am always going to "blame" the people buying more than the one selling - just like I blame the people who buy sex rather than those who sell it.

More than any of them though, I blame the society that says it's all fine and allows this to happen.

Yes because employment is renowned for being accessible to poorly educated, ex prisoners, single , fleeing domestic violence having been in an shelter, women.

Bet all those prostitutes/escorts wish they had thought of macdonalds 🙄

I don’t think they are evil, I think they are spoilt and entitled - they have enough money to buy what they want and they want a baby. No thought for the baby or the person attached to the womb that carries it.
I also don’t think too highly of the women who sell their children either

Well it’s quite probable the woman didn’t comprehend the bond she’d feel for the baby until she gave birth.

Ultimately it’s the baby I feel sorry for- and it’s the men in this story raising a fist to the news they have a baby that disgust me

Oh, so 'two evil men using a poor woman as a womb'? Or rather a woman renting her womb out and selling her baby. Presumably, they didn't just catch an innocent bystander and forced her to carry the baby and then stole it away from her. Nope, she sold it: took a handsome sum in exchange for a baby. Just how all of a sudden she's innocent in all this and the men are heartless? If anything, they're just bad as each other, but she's worse. That was her baby and she sold it.

And no need for the 'poor woman did it, so she wouldn't starve'. If you're starving - go work at McD, take up a cleaning job or similar. Plenty of women do this. They don't go about selling babies.