Famous men and surrogacy

I mean treat infants like dolls, inanimate objects.

• separate twins at birth

Bio parents and birth parents all matter to a child.

Biologically grown and belonging to birth mother, and bio parents all matter.

All an infant knows from conception is the byosy it belongs to, knows like its own, and most importantly feels safe with.

People used to believe you could sepaeattqins at birth without consequence. Those seem like the dark ages now though by comparison.

sorry

's ok Poe's Law n'all.

It’s also worth remembering that Nowdays we also have children born from donor egg AND sperm donor so have no biological link with the people who are raising them as parents. If that is Ok (I assume because the woman has accrued the child???)

The issues around attachment to the mother aren't the same in egg and/or sperm donation. But the issues around a child's relationship with and knowledge of the full set of biological parents are. I think many of us who have experience of adoption within our families are painfully aware of how strong the drive is to fully know where we come from.

Just in case anyone else is looking at the consultation and struggling to understand quite what some of the questions are getting at here's a link to the WP guide womansplaceuk.org/2019/10/08/wpuk-submission-to-law-commission-consultation-on-surrogacy-reform/

Thanks OhHolyJesus

Sorry

The 2 posts above are just bollocks.

Erm...mine was sarcasm

We also know that children have the drive to find out about their biological parent. We know that for people who have been adopted and those who have been born from sperm or embryo donors.

Whether a child also get this strong feeling toward to woman who carried them during the pregnancy, I dont know. it’s still a relatively new thing and we dont have enough information to say one way or the other.

I would be very careful about framing this issue as ‘making the child an orphan’ (the child will be living with their biological father).
It’s also worth remembering that Nowdays we also have children born from donor egg AND sperm donor so have no biological link with the people who are raising them as parents. If that is Ok (I assume because the woman has accrued the child??), the surely it should be ok too for the child to live with his biological father.

*Nia Vardalos

Posters here may be interested to read Instant Mom by Nia Vardos. She is the producer and actor in My Big Fat Greek Wedding. I think it was about a decade of IVF and miscarriages before she started applying for adoption. Her story is beautiful and heartbreaking. Perhaps she considered buying a baby, it isn't illegal and she had cash, but she chose adoption and I respect her for it. It's a beautiful story.

It really is quite simple - if you support commercial surrogacy, you support the idea that babies can be bought and sold. And that is just flat out wrong.

Nothing to do with "attitudes" or (IIRC from up thread) "Daily Mail Readers." Just a belief that human beings should not be up for sale.

The 2 posts above are just bollocks.

Although it is a great pity IVF was ever allowed in the first place as it was inevitable it would lead to this.

Yes! And intercourse! That is exactly what is being argued here! Down with all human reproduction.

If no one has the right to a child, then we should stop any investigation for fertility, any IVF, ACT etc... no sperm donor either.

Seeing that about 1/4 couples struggle with fertility, I’m sure this will go down well....

And then getting in touch and finding that that person holds the attitudes reflected on this thread - that you were never actually their baby. Horrible. And probably much worse actually than most adopted children whose birth parents want them very very much but aren't able to care for them.

big thats just another one of the massive psychological issues created for dc. There is lots of evidence for it and how harmful it is to a person's sense of self.
Some spend their entire life searching and needing their parent.

Messing with nature and screwing up people.

I wonder about the child finding out down the line that the surrogate is actually their biological mother and how strong that need is to know them. It’s okay when the child is too young to do anything but when they’re a teenager...?

I think it’s a lot for someone to deal with and may bring up the same feelings as having been given away even though as far as the parents when concerned it was completely consensual. Biology is strong

What has a woman, who apparently (heresay) doesn't love her kids got to do with surrogacy.

Some random stuff being dragged up here.

So many odd reasonings for trading and harming babies.

Why are people not putting a babies rights and needs ahead of people who have no rights or needs over the baby???

Odd, cruel

This is going in circles so I'm not coming back to this thread.

Objections to creating a marketplace for babies proving too much for you? Shocked to find such on a feminist board? I'd recommend brushing up on your politics: feminism has nothing to do with market fundamentalism and Thatcherite neoliberalism and never has.

Oh, just seen puddin flounced. They always do...

@mypuddin I wanted to adopt actually, up thread I've also talked about wanting to be a surrogate myself when I was younger. Things change.

My husband didn't want to adopt, we negotiated and if I hadn't become pregnant in a year we would have adopted. We may still adopt but I have to start discussion for that again and currently now is not the right time in our family life.

My husband has a say and we came to a compromise.

@mypuddin I love my son, the woman with 6, nearly 7, doesn't. Big difference.

You need to eat to survive
You need to drink to survive
You need shelter and clothing to survive
Those are actual real needs.

So many confused entitled people.

Reproduction is a drive.

Your mistake.

Its not a need.

Noone 'needs' a child. If they do, they're the very people that shouldn't have children.

Adult deal with their 'drives'.

Some don't, but mostly they are criminals who think their drives are needs that everyone else must fulfil. Thats a personality problem/behavioural disorder/over-entitlement.