Transgender manager sues after botched op costs him his leg

And to think arnold

We are apparently the bad guys...

I don't think they care, Sarah.

A percentage of surgeons just don't seem to view their patients as human beings, which I can kind of understand, I imagine a level of detachment is necessary to do the job, but in some cases it seems more extreme. They just seem to be viewing people in the manner a mechanic views a car, just something to be fixed, tinkered with, improved upon, just to see if they can if that makes any sense.

It's an unnecessary, pointless and highly dangerous procedure imo. Up there with FGM and needs a similar attitude to address. Co-incidentally both procedures are only carried out on one sex. Can you guess which?

It's like giving a gastric band to somebody who's anorexic.

Yes its awfully convenient isnt it.

But at the time that the surgeries were performed they knew full well it was classed as a mental illness . And they had no way of knowing it would change.

That ought to mean something.

I get the impression that the push for declassification is, at least from the surgeons' point of view, about 'being let off' or perhaps even more so about being 'free' to make money from a vulnerable group without any checks and balances.

It should be remembered that this is not the first time surgery has been used to 'cure' mental illness though. Lobotomies arose from a similar mind set, but without the backdrop of ore general acceptance for /fashion of cosmetic surgery.

Surely though, it's a fairly recent thing that it's no longer considered a mental.illness?

Alot of the surgeries that have been performed and alot of what the drs know is through basically knowingly experimenting on people who have mental illness.

Or does this recent reclassification let them.all.off now?

Do surgeons in the UK perform these procedures too?

Yes, though not with quite such, um, abandon as their US counterparts. Yet. Mermaids, amongst others, are pushing for a more US style approacvh.

Surgery in the US is cowboy central, virtually unregulated, governed by so called 'informed consent' which is basically waiving away your right to sue as far as I can make out.

4thWaveNow are excellent on this topic. Their investigations reveal eye-boggling levels of malpractice and a complete disregard for patient well being. But hey, the surgeons get to play god so that's OK.

Trans people should be given the mental health care they need to come to terms with the reality of their sexed bodies

Why aren't more people saying this??? Gender dysphoria and AGP are mental health conditions. You don't treat a mental health condition with surgery ffs.

Do surgeons in the UK perform these procedures too? Both of those in the links were in the US I think..?

"Necrotic urethra" (obviously sick not envy!!) ... it's not really that big a surprise that some of the most delicate tissue in the human body, that deals with waste product, might not fare so well in unnecessary surgery

What sets my alarm bells ringing is the idea that Crane was fascinated by fluid dynamics in mechanical engineering. How far may this influence his surgical perspective?

Is he treating a biological organism, a human being, as though it may conform to the same principles as an engineered structure?

If so, this is verging on Frankensteinian practice.

The only way these mutilations will stop is if the surgeons that perform them keep getting sued

Would they be able to be sued if the patients were fully aware of the outcomes?

I think we need to know what they are being told.

However that doesnt change the fact that I guess if the patients are told that it will most likely fail, that anyone who opts for a likely unsuccessful surgery with a list of complications longer than their arm and maybe peeing standing but like a sprinkler being the only positive possibility, that wild surely indicate mental issues because no healthy person would do that to themselves....

These kinds of surgeries make me think of the stuff that Josef Menegele and Unit 731 used to do to people. It's completely unethical, horrific, experimental, and ruinous for the patient.

The TRAs should be up in arms at this. Innocent people are being mutilated in unsafe surgeries by glorified butchers.

The only way these mutilations will stop is if the surgeons that perform them keep getting sued.

It's the only way any of this madness is going to stop - financial penalties and the fear of litigation.

This is why I am of the view that these (and many other cosmetic surgeries) should be banned even for adults.

All surgery is a risk. It should never be undertaken unless medically necessary. I will keep banging on about this because I know it from bitter experience. I almost lost my leg/life to surgical infection following a routine biopsy. Even the simplest surgery is a risk.

Trans people should be given the mental health care they need to come to terms with the reality of their sexed bodies. They should never be surgical subjects. Never.

It makes me so angry to know this unnecessary butchery is going on and moronic so called 'progressives' are cheering. They are ignorant, dangerous fools.

I did read from a person who had surgery for dysphoria who said that it didn’t really stop it

They just focused on another part of their body that had to be fixed so it just went on and on with no relief

”Well, it makes sense that Trans people would choose to keep the body parts they were born with undertake the mental and linguistic gymnastics to incorporate them into their gender than undergo risky, mutilating, expensive surgery.”

Or psychiatrists could try to work on a treatment that would help them accept the reality that sex is immutable, but that there are ways to live with the body they have.

Well, it makes sense that Trans people would choose to keep the body parts they were born with undertake the mental and linguistic gymnastics to incorporate them into their gender than undergo risky, mutilating, expensive surgery.

Holy fuck. This is awful.

That poor, poor person. Awful.

It costs a quarter of a million US dollars according to a victim's comment on the 4th wave link.

Surgery this brutal and risky makes sense when it's saving a life, like with heart surgery. Just to look like you kind of have a penis (but not really) that isn't functional and that comes with a whole host of other problems? Why is that deemed to be an acceptable risk/reward scenario?

I too can't believe that any doctors are still doing this given its tiny success rate

Does anyone know what's actually deemed as a success?

What's the best that anyone can actually hope for with this?

Fucking hell. Also, this op apparently costs 70,000 if done privately. How can it be funded on the NHS?