Transgender manager sues after botched op costs him his leg

Tequila, do you really not understand that bariatric surgery (used as a last resort on obese people where other methods of weight loss have failed), is designed to treat their mental health problems?

Of course it isn't. It's to treat the physical problems. This is from the NHS:

Being obese can also increase your risk of developing many potentially serious health conditions, including:

type 2 diabetes
high blood pressure
high cholesterol and atherosclerosis (where fatty deposits narrow your arteries), which can lead to coronary heart disease and stroke
asthma
metabolic syndrome, a combination of diabetes, high blood pressure and obesity
several types of cancer, including bowel cancer, breast cancer and womb cancer
gastro-oesophageal reflux disease (GORD), where stomach acid leaks out of the stomach and into the gullet
gallstones
reduced fertility
osteoarthritis, a condition involving pain and stiffness in your joints
sleep apnoea, a condition that causes interrupted breathing during sleep, which can lead to daytime sleepiness with an increased risk of road traffic accidents, as well as a greater risk of diabetes, high blood pressure and heart disease
liver disease and kidney disease
pregnancy complications, such as gestational diabetes or pre-eclampsia, when a woman experiences a potentially dangerous rise in blood pressure during pregnancy

www.nhs.uk/conditions/obesity/

But you are conflating immediate medical need to prevent or stop physical harm caused by actual medical reasons eg heart disease, mal nutrition, infections of the skin folds , disability etc

That's different to perfectly healthy bodies and brains being altered for mental health reasons alone

Doesn’t bariatric surgery physically prevent over eating, weight loss, reduces comorbid medical conditions trying to prevent death.

But why not treat it with therapy? It stems from a mental health condition. It isn't a physical illness.

Clearly there are instances where it is appropriate to offer surgical solutions to mental health conditions.

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But some posters are saying that mental illness should be treated with therapy not surgery.

So why do we do bariatric surgery? Treat patients with therapy if it's that simple.

Or could the answer be that it isn't that simple?

Doesn’t bariatric surgery physically prevent over eating, weight loss, reduces comorbid medical conditions trying to prevent death.

Treatment for anorexia, bulimia are to prevent death by physical causes, starvation, heart attack etc like forced intubation if weight gets dangerously low. The rest of the treatment is about the mind.

Google says 25k to 125k

Also says some states say must be covered by insurance policies
Viagra is as well

Contraception not necessarily
Abortion barely legal some states. Assume not covered by insurance at work in all states if even contraception doesn't have to be

Not all.morbidly obese people are though.

Many have to loose weight or start exercising before they get the surgery.

Addiction has to be treated because if all you did was give them a gastric band you haven't combatted the issue and they risk killing themselves by over eating or not following the protocol afterwards. It's a risky surgery one which is not suitable for many people . They dont just take fat people and operate. Its alot more complicated than that.

No way does 4surgeons 11.5 hour procedure come in at 70k in usa.

No way at all.

Anorexia is an eating disorder and serious mental health condition.

It is. It's not the only eating disorder though.

Why are morbidly obese people, who clearly have an eating disorder and a mental health condition, treated with bariatric surgery if your argument is that mental health conditions aren't treated with surgery?

Is 70K just for the actual surgery. Without aftercare and medication etc?

11.5 hours surgery, 4 surgeons!!! Bloody hell that's massive. Sort of thing you'd get for separating cojoined twins pr something equally tricky and complex...

In usa this will be easy more than 70k , is have thought hundreds of thousands!?

The motivations of the medical profession esp in usa are obvious surely. A lot of cash in it for pharmaceutical cos as well.

What is an eating disorder?

Anorexia is an eating disorder and serious mental health condition.

www.nhs.uk/conditions/anorexia/

Is this a physical or mental condition?

I have no idea what it is.

What is an eating disorder?

The underlying problem is gender dysphoria.

Is this a physical or mental condition?

But how else can it be categorised.

The body is healthy
The brain.is healthy

Nothing shows up in scans etc

So if it's not a physical ailment in that there is nothing medically wrong with the body or the brain etc then what else can it be other than a mental.health issue?

What is the 'underlying problem' in gender dysphoria, tequila?

The underlying problem is gender dysphoria.

I was literally replying to the poster that I quoted who said if suicide is threatened it can only mean 1 of 2 things - either that gender dysphoria is a mental illness or that it's being used to emotionally blackmail people.

I was simply pointing out that that isn't necessarily true. A person can become suicidal for many reasons. 1 reason might be as a reaction to a medical condition. That doesn't make the medical condition necessarily a mental illness.

And why is someone comparing transgenderism to anorexia? Why not to eating disorders in general? We do treat some eating disorders with surgery eg people who are morbidly obese. They can have bariatric surgery. What is the difference there?

The only conditions Gender Dysphoria can be compared to are ones that improve with talking therapy and sometimes resolve spontaneously, without any professional treatment at all.

Ie, not bloody cancer.

Nailed it, vivarium.

My point is that someone can become suicidal as a reaction to an underlying problem.

What is the 'underlying problem' in gender dysphoria, tequila?

The comparison is not cancer, it's anorexia.

Person believes their body is "wrong" in some way and seeks to change it by any means possible. The means of that change causes measurable, demonstrable, harm - denying them the ability to change causes them distress. It is a terrible situation for the individual.

What we don't do is encourage a person with anorexia to exercise or give them liposuction, because that is not going to help them.

I cannot, for the life of me, understand why enabling harmful behaviour is seen a good thing for the trans population.

Surgically removing healthy tissue is harmful. Hormone treatment that causes risk of cardiovascular disease and bone loss is harmful.

Being promised lies, like you can change sex, is harmful.

I'd like medics doing this work to explain their clinical reasoning.

But tequila

What part of the body is sick/wrong ?

The bodies are healthy. So what are they having the reaction to ?

Play silly games get silly prizes.

I'm not saying that transgenderism is the same as cancer.

I was referring to the post that was saying that if transgender people are suicidal then that means that it's a mental illness.

My point is that someone can become suicidal as a reaction to an underlying problem. That doesn't mean that the underlying problem is a mental illness. Someone could have a physical problem and their reaction to it triggers suicidal feelings.

I was simply using cancer as an example. It could be any condition.

The "first do no harm" rule does not apply to cosmetic surgery. It's my understanding that so-called sex-reassignment surgery is categorised as cosmetic surgery.

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