Transgender manager sues after botched op costs him his leg

Agree velveteen.

5% failure rate is 1 in 20. I wouldn't get on a plane with a 1 in 20 chance of crashing. This surgery is being missold.

Having been a young woman struggling with my identity in this society and with my mental health, I just don't think young people in their early 20s should undertake non medically necessary surgery of this magnitude.

This is terrible. Clearly anyone who agrees to this surgery is either not informed property or doesn’t have capacity (because it would be simply insane to accept those risks). Yet another example of unethical medical experimentation on trans people. Deplorable.

This person lost a leg, and the other has been damaged as well.
Have you comment on that.

This is a massive derail tbh

So is starving yourself to death

The surgery is to treat the physical issues created by the mental health condition

If it was to treat the mental health condition what sort of surgery do you suggest anorexics receive or women experiencing post natal depression.
What surgery should a man who is suicidal receive?

Are you a fan of lobotomy maybe.

Bariatric surgery is treatment for the fatness though, not the overeating. Some people can over eat without getting obese ( Rey physically active people, usually) we don’t treat those people with surgery.

Eating yourself to death is a mental health condition.

Fatness isn’t a mental health condition though.

Tequila at least 4 out of 10 women have mental health issues around pregnancy and birth.

This is fwr on mn a majority female site most are parents ie mothers. Mental health is a topic that gets discussed lots on fwr and across the boards, many have personal experience.

You talk as if it's a theoretical topic for women / mothers and that there is little knowledge on fwr which feels off to me tbh

It is still a mental health condition being treated with surgery.

It is the resulting SYMPTOM of a mental health condition being treated with surgery. Rather like if someone was self harming. You would treat the symptom, the wound, because that is an immediate threat to their physical health. Then you would treat their mental health to stop them harming themselves again.

But given that being transgender has been declared to not be a mental health condition I can’t see how this is relevant as they won’t be getting any therapy.

But they are a result of being morbidly obese. If the person returned to a normal BMI then the risk of developing those conditions would diminish.

Or they could die from one of those conditions.

The real question is

How is someone who is suicidal due to the physical appearance of their body not a mental health condition?

That isn't treating a mental or physical illness but is available.

But not on the NHS or for prisoners.

Morbidly obese patients who get bariatric surgery are only getting it because therapy failed. Stop ignoring that.

Anyone want to say what cosmetic surgery is available on the NHS?

Not any that is exceptionally carried out for mental health issues, because it’s established that being trans is not a mental health condition.

If mental health conditions are so easily treated with therapy'

A pp said that transgenderism shouldn't be treated with surgery but with therapy, as though that's the answer.

Read all those conditions associated with obesity that I posted from the NHS site. Do you think those are all mental health conditions?

But they are a result of being morbidly obese. If the person returned to a normal BMI then the risk of developing those conditions would diminish.

If therapy is so successful then why not treat morbidly obese patients with therapy rather than very risky surgical procedures?

Why does anyone need therapy or surgery for something that is neither a mental health condition nor a physical health condition?

I guess they don't. If it isn't seen as either a mental or physical condition then I presume the surgery is more akin to cosmetic surgery. That isn't treating a mental or physical illness but is available.

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If mental health conditions are so easily treated with therapy'

Who has said this.
That would be a terribly crass thing to say and I can't imagine anyone on here would say it.

WHO moved it to sexual health.

www.webmd.com/sex/news/20190529/being-transgender-not-a-mental-disorder-who-says

So if you ban gender reassignment surgery and offer only therapy what happens when that fails?

Why does anyone need therapy or surgery for something that is neither a mental health condition nor a physical health condition?

It is still a mental health condition being treated with surgery.

Read all those conditions associated with obesity that I posted from the NHS site. Do you think those are all mental health conditions?

It is still a mental health condition being treated with surgery.

If mental health conditions are so easily treated with therapy (which is what you are all saying re transgenderism "they should be given therapy not surgery") then why is bariatric surgery necessary?

You are saying it's a last ditch treatment when everything else has failed - the everything else meaning therapy presumably?

So if you ban gender reassignment surgery and offer only therapy what happens when that fails?

Because - they do not believe that trans = mental illness.

So if it’s not a life threatening mental illness, therapy is not a consideration, it’s not a physical medical need because nothing physical is not working, so the surgery is prescribed why?

Bariatric surgery is used when all other treatments medical and therapy have failed to stop someone dying.

If this is an attempt for a gotcha - the trans community require acceptance without exception and medical intervention on request.

Which does not compare to years of therapy before last ditch surgery to avoid death.

Correcting typo in the first sentence my last post.

Tequila, do you really not understand that bariatric surgery (used as a last resort on obese people where other methods of weight loss have failed), is not designed to treat their mental health problems?