Transgender manager sues after botched op costs him his leg

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Isnt there a dr who has something like 8 law suits pending fir this kind of surgery?

If people go into something head on knowing full well what can happen, and not to get too optimistic about the results and ome of the many listed complications happened would they even have a case?

Surely there would only be a case to answer to of patients had been lied to or had things done really badly that were avoidable?
Many law suits for the same kind of surgery from people who were all consenting adults seems very suspicious to me

Tequila not engaging is a very good way of not answering questions you don't like.

It's also a good way of swerving having to apologise or explain why you misrepresent posters on this thread who don't agree with you, by claiming they think that it's easy to treat mental health with therapy. Literally no one has said that. I'd be amazed if they had. You saying that they did reveals a lot about how carefully you are reading posts and what sort of preconceived ideas you have about other posters.

Because its being sold as something it isnt. And those doing it genuinely believe that it is what they are being told.

If they are going in to it knowing full well the risks , knowing that it doesnt change your sex,that's one thing.

But if they are being told they have changed sex, if they now have not had to have any kind.of therapy what so ever as it's no longer a mental health issue then that's a different kettle of fish altogether.

And consenting adult or not, I think its actually very important to ask yourself , what is the mental state and competencey of someone who knowingly goes through surgery with significant failure rates, where even the success stories, well the bar is bloody low let's face it, are not anything remotely worth putting yourself through the risks of surgery for.

I dont think.its a bad question to ask. Why are perfectly healthy bodied people putting themselves through hours of risky surgery that involves a lifetime of up keep that and can become infected fir years afterwards, and serves no purpose except to try and look a.little bit like some drs pornified idea if a part of an anatomy.

Would mentally healthy do that. Would you not worry about someone who made the decision to do it?

SarahTancredi

I don't know what it is, I've already said that. I wouldn't presume to pretend that I know better than either a trans gender person or a Dr experienced in the field.

The fact that there is nothing to "see", either physically or on scans proves nothing either way - what can you see that proves a patient has depression?

If this isn't considered to be a mental or physical condition then it's akin, in my mind, to patients wanting cosmetic surgery. Anyone wanting liposuction or breast implants can have it if they can pay for it even if to the rest of us we can see nothing wrong.

Some patients can have surgery on the NHS, if their condition fits certain criteria. I just don't see why this is such a concern for anyone other than those who choose to have it.

Obese people can have counselling and sometimes they still don’t lose weight because they just can’t change their behaviours.

Even if it did always work over 60 per cent of the population is overweight or obese. We could never possibly recruit and train a large enough number of psychotherapists or counsellors to provide therapy for years to everyone who is overeating for a whole range of emotional/ psychological reasons.

I can't see much point in continuing with this discussion. You are only interested in hearing from people who agree with you so there is really no point

Not at all.

We are just asking for you to state what exactly it is you think is being treated.

With anorexia and other eating disorders theres evidence right in front of your eyes.

You can see when people are over or under weight . There are people who see them collapse or struggle to move, who can see that despite multiple layers of clothing the bones are sticking out.

You can see them.eat copious amounts of food or none at all.

But there's nothing but words with transgenderism.

You are advocating for surgery on the basis of someones verbal claim that theres somethin wrong.

Something no one else can possibly see. Something that should you remove the clothes or the make up and walkes in on them asleep in a hospital gown there is zero indication of whatsoever.

Something that every blood test every scan every photograph or video would show no.evidence of besides their own use of their own props.

If its not mental or physical then what is it. Because either theres a problem.thats apparent and needs treating in which case why cant anyone else see it touch it or feel it. Or nothings wrong at all in which case what are we treating them for ?

Transitioned to what though? A person wearing a skirt and lippy?

So for example GrrrlAlex. Transitioned with no surgery/hormones. Seems very happy. I assume has regular counselling in her job as a psychologist. That looks like successful transition to me.
www.grrlalex.co.uk/what-is-transgender/

Are there studies available that show transgenderism can be successfully treated with therapy?

I don't know. People who desist are not counted as "treated". They are identified as not trans in the first place.

There are plenty of people who transition without SRS. Maybe they are "successfully treated".

What does treatment success look like to you?

The surgery in the first article was done in South Africa.

How can he have pain in his left calf if his left leg was amputated above the knee? Unless it was phantom limb pain.

Yes it doesn't really explain that. Phantom limb pain is fairly common, I work with a fair few people who have had amputations and most will describe having them.

I do wonder if the risks involved are ever fully explained or if people just put their fingers in their ears.

So I don't fully understand what failure is in the context of transgender ism.

I suppose someone living an extremely unhappy life? I don't know. You would need to ask someone living that life.

Are there studies available that show transgenderism can be successfully treated with therapy?

StyleItOutAgain

I'm sorry - I need to give more examples? Why? Who invented these rules?

Other posters on here have been very insistent that transgenderism should be compared to anorexia, because we don't treat anorexia with surgery. Maybe not but we treat other eating disorders with surgery.

And this surgery isn't only done in the USA.

I can't see much point in continuing with this discussion. You are only interested in hearing from people who agree with you so there is really no point.

So if you ban gender reassignment surgery and offer only therapy what happens when that fails?
What constitutes failure here?
With bariatric surgery, if other treatments have not caused weight loss, that patient will continue to be morbidly obese, suffer associated health problems and potentially die without that surgery.

With transgenderism, that patient will continue to be very unhappy with their body but won't be at risk of health conditions and death from not being treated (except suicide possibly, but the evidence isnt clear cut as discussed upthread).

So I don't fully understand what failure is in the context of transgender ism.

Tequila this surgery was in usa where its v lucrative and much less regulated apparently.

In those circs I think deferring to them on everything is a bad idea.

Doctors / pharmacies have many times produced / recommended things that were awful.

Lobotomy, mentioned earlier, would be a good example.

Oh sorry I name changed.

Your whole claim is that is fine normal and standard to treat mental health conditions with surgery. Citing bariatric surgery.

Others are saying that surgery is to treat the symptoms that result in things like diabetes. But the cause.

I think you need more than one example as the one you have given is poor. What other surgeries do you recommend to treat mental health issues?

Interesting response, Tequila. Unlike you, I have decided not to outsource my thinking.

Not offering psychiatric treatment for gender dysphoria is quite a recent development, in the last couple of years, since it was decided that psychiatric treatment amounted to 'conversion therapy'. This was the result of lobbying by transactivist groups.

Surgery used to be only offered as a last resort, when non invasive treatments had failed. Patients had to confirm that they understood that they couldn't change sex and that the surgery was not a 'sex change'. This also seems to have changed as a result of lobbying, not because people can actually change sex now.

StyleItOutAgain

I'm not suggesting surgery for those conditions - what makes you think I am?

Can you explain why you think therapy would be an inappropriate treatment for such people?

I don't know what the appropriate treatment is. I'm not an expert in the field. Drs who are experienced in this area are offering surgery, and have done for a long time. I am deferring to their knowledge and experience of treating people with gender dysphoria.

If they come forward and say that surgery isn't the right treatment but therapy is then I would support that too because I don't have their knowledge. Do any of you?

I also want to know which surgeries that poster would recommend for anorexics, women with pnd, men who are feeling suicidal.

Tequila You appear to be saying that people who are unhappy with their sexed bodies shouldn't have therapy. Can you explain why you think therapy would be an inappropriate treatment for such people?

If I have misunderstood, please explain your position a bit more clearly.

That poster does not say mental health issues are easily treated with therapy.

I would be very surprised if anyone had said that.

You are misrepresenting people.

Fraggling I'm not implying anything. That is what pp have said eg

Trans people should be given the mental health care they need to come to terms with the reality of their sexed bodies. They should never be surgical subjects. Never.

What is that statement saying if it isn't saying treat this with therapy not surgery?

There are other similar statements.

'If mental health conditions are so easily treated with therapy (which is what you are all saying re transgenderism "they should be given therapy not surgery") then why is bariatric surgery necessary?'

You implied that posters who disagree with you think mental health issues are really treated with therapy.

That is not on.

You have changed your mind about what you were using about as well. The above quote talks about obesity not suicide.

You talk as if it's a theoretical topic for women / mothers and that there is little knowledge on fwr which feels off to me tbh

I didn't raise it as an issue.

I simply questioned a pp who said that if a person threatens suicide it means that being transgender us either a mental illness or they are attempting to blackmail people.

My opinion is simply that these issues are not black and white. Sometimes surgery is used to treat an illness that therapy alone is not treating. Even if the original condition is not caused by a physical illness surgery might help to alleviate the symptoms.