BBC Rupaul Drag Quiz

not all drag is supposed to be fishy, some examples include military realness or schoolboy realness and realness with a twist.

It's definitely English but what on earth does it mean?

It's not obligatory to fawn over drag, contrary to popular opinion

For most people " fawning over drag" involves much personal dissonance.

I think there is a difference between drag and black face. It's about the privilege of the group doing it and the intention.

In the 18th century "molly houses" were part of pervasive sub culture, estimated to be 30 moll houses in London. That's massive given the population!

They were "safe" spaces where gay men could meet and socialise aswell as engage in sexual acts. Dressing as women and holding pretend weddings was a powerful way they were railing against the patriarchy. Gay men weren't in a privileged position they were highly persecuted! -they would be executed in fact.
Link if interested to learn more at the end.

Others may disagree but I feel like drag comes from a place of dissent against the patriarchy and heterosexual male oppressors. It was an act of non conformity and want to reflect gender fluidity from a group who were marginalised. Blackface is not complimentary, it's a mockery of black people... And it's perpetrated by white oppressors.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/eastendwomensmuseum.org/blog/miss-muffs-molly-house-in-whitechapel%3fformat=amp

These terms aren't making a mockery of you

It is usually the prerogative of the oppressed to say what is demeaning of them. Unless they are women, naturally!

It's not obligatory to fawn over drag, contrary to popular opinion.

used to empower members of the community

Could you explain for us how gay men dressing up as an exaggerated versions of aggressive femininity empowering?

Drag is simply an art form of changing ones appearance

And so is fancy dress; and Justin Trudeau presenting himself as a facsimile of a black person. No?

These terms aren't making a mockery of you they are used to empower members of the community so don't try and stop them from being used

And what do you think of 'black face' and such? I guess you find that an entirely different issue?

To be honest, i'm finding it difficult to take such responses as yours as valid. To me they seem like parodies; so ill conceived and wilfully blind as to the parallels.I was around the gay male community a lot in my youth, and I never liked drag - and always found it offensive.

@AngelsSins If you are claiming that all drag offends you then you are simply close minded and ignorant.Drag is simply an art form of changing ones appearance. You say it is a mockery of women yet not all drag is supposed to be fishy, some examples include military realness or schoolboy realness and realness with a twist.

You clearly only know of drag from the little you've seen along with many people commenting here on both sides of the argument. Before you get into a little huff over the hot new topic do research in the rich history of drag because many this is their history and is their way of life. Read about the trans women that did drag as a way to be seen and be stars in a time when they were pushed into the shadows and murdered in back streets. Or the queer community that went to the balls, where many of these phrases originated, to seek a family when their biological family threw them into the streets to die.

These terms aren't making a mockery of you they are used to empower members of the community so don't try and stop them from being used.

I do object to the word cunt.

Take it up with the Vikings.

but grotesque exaggerated caricatures of women

Not quite true. Grotesque caricatures of female stereotypes...more like it.How is this any different, though, to 'black face' and shows such as the Black & White Minstrels? Genuine question.

Being a woman doesn't make you exempt from also being close minded, you can't just say one groups oppression doesn't matter because at one point in time you would've been oppressed similarly

Becca; you are not even making any rational sense. This is just a load of word salad.

a bunch of women who view the smell of their own genitals more important

This has to be a parody, surely?

They don’t smell fishy, no - but referring to women as ‘fishy’ suggests that they do - which is why it is a misogynist insult.

Honestly.

But they don’t smell like fish. I do object to the word cunt.

And the OP refers specifically to the word fishy. So this thread is about that. That is what you're defending. Calling women, all women - your mum, your gran - fish because their cunts smell like fish.

It is not ‘being a snowflake’ to object to misogyny.

No one is triggered. No one is a snowflake. We don't like men saying women smell like fish because women's cunts smell like fish. That is entirely reasonable. Obviously.

But they aren’t trying to be women, they know women don’t dress like that really, they are being drag women. Honestly. I can’t get offended at everything. Not even a little teeny bit of that gets me offended. Is it just the fish term that has triggered you? My vagina doesn’t smell of fish so who gives a shit. Honestly women, I know the term snowflake gets thrown about too much but if the shoe fits....

It's a really offensive and demeaning word in a quiz that was made for fun but is actually offensive and demeaning because of the offensive and demeaning word

It's horrible.
I immediately thought of the comparison with black face.
Really uncomfortable to watch the trailers. I won't be watching the programme.

I lodged an online complaint to the BBC

I don’t understand how any woman can think drag is ok. (Apart from Dame Edna, who is now more sensible than most of our elected politicians - is she even drag or just a character whose actor happens to be a man?) It mocks women. Some people say it celebrates women - but it only celebrates a pornstar / bitch version. Is it homophobic to dislike drag - I don’t think all drag performers are gay? There’s a world of difference between a camp man (a disappearing group of people) like Julian clary and a drag queen. I see no difference between most drag queens and blackface.