Join the mixed-sex loo resistance movement!

I was talking about this and my sister said she recently bowled into a loo and found a man peeing at the urinal. She reckons he go the bigger shock - so I think men may start complaining?

@getoutofthatgarden202

Because men place hidden cameras in women's toilets. Giving men unlimited access to women's toilets opens up the possibility for them to do this.

Because men rape and assault women in private spaces like toilets. Giving men unlimited access to women's toilers opens up the possibility for them to do this.

Because women don't want to take care of personal matters like changing tampons when men are the other side of a flimsy cubicle wall which probably doesn't reach the floor

Because women don't want to wash out moon cups in the shared sink area when men are hovering around.

Because teenage girls are getting used to their changing bodies and learning to handle personal period care and probably won't want to do this with men and boys hanging around. The same goes for boys too (apart from the period bit).

Because men DGAF about anyone but themselves and will piss all over toilet seats and floors and not clear it up.

Because I wouldn't be surprised if some (sigh) men didn't just piss on seats. I really wouldn't be surprised to find spunk on toilet seats in previously female-only toilets.

I'd have women (bio only)

Anyone the fuck else

Talking of loos, there’s an interesting discussion about mixed toilets on Shon Faye’s Twitter from a day ago. Starts off by saying that it’s not a mixed toilet if it has urinals in it because transwomen don’t like them. The replies are interesting especially from pre-op trans women who are a bit indignant as they feel happier standing up to use urinals rather than sitting down (because it increases their dysphoria and/or is quicker) And then there’s trans men saying they like a urinal too because they have had phalloplasty and it’s getting more common these days for trans men to have them. Fascinating discussion. Just shows how ridiculously complicated it’s all become!

Men piss on seats and all over the floor.

My main issue is safety. Of course not ALL men are dangerous (sigh), but a life time's experience has taught me to avoid being alone with a man/men in a deserted enclosed space (like toilets).

And why should women have to experience even a moment's hesitation or fear? Just why?

Men piss on the floor too

Men piss on seats

Sometimes when we have a buggy and toddlers we have to leave door open as we can’t fit in

Just saw this Twitter feed

twitter.com/MuseumToilets?s=09

Might be a place to start asking questions, it seems an active account, currently at the Museums Association conference in (cough) Brighton!

Whats your problem with unisex toilets - do you have a problem with individual cubicals and then a communal sink area or what exactly are you talking about - once you can close the door on your cubicle whats the big deal?

I like it better like this because there are shorter wait times/queues - woman take bloody ages if you go to a woman's only toilet!

Literally everywhere I go it's usually unisex and then a shared sink area - nobody ever seems to have any issue??

Oh I could take my she wee and join them at the urinals, I'd best get the hang of it first as still difficult to use without making a mess

Link

One example.

Here's a link to an article about 'gender neutral' Cllr David Smith, & his vigorous campaign for mixed sex toilets in Middlesbrough. gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-…

Here's a second link regarding Cllr Smith's arrest for nine child sex offences. gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-…

We must start using the urinals in men's toilets! Loud and proud, dress hitched up, leg up on the wall.That will get them rethinking ...

Historic Scotland has gone gender neutral and they admitted in their assesmen5 that it would be problem matic for some women

They didn’t give 2 fucks and went ahead anyway

Cowards historic Scotland

www.historicenvironment.scot/media/5912/eqia-site-visitor-toilets-refurbishment.pdf?hootPostID=31b1e9a97971699c13dd956a1c8aa7ca

WhatsNextMrsLandingham

Datun - sorry, I didn't mean anyone was a dick for wanting to do this! God knows I'm tempted some days though

No no, I didn't mean that. Sorry, I expressed myself badly. I think this civil disobedience is an excellent way of highlighting the problem.

What I meant was, (in the normal course of events, outside a protest), decent people don't want to go into the opposite sex toilets because they don't want to make the occupants uncomfortable.

So who are you left with? Who does it actually benefit?

In this progressive new age your perpetrator just has a kink, silly!

And rapists gonna rape whatever so really why do we bother with any safeguarding at all?

(sorry all out of constructive comments in the face of the barrage of stupid thinking women are currently facing)

Datun - sorry, I didn't mean anyone was a dick for wanting to do this! God knows I'm tempted some days though. I meant that I wished people who say 'it's just a toilet' and 'you can pee next to me' would consider why we have these provisions in the first place. It's not unreasonable to want privacy when you're engaging in personal care and/or are in a vulnerable position.

It does worry me especially when you consider that in many public separated women's toilets there was once a policy of having stickers that you could take off and hand to a member of staff if you were wanting to disclose DV or indicate that you needed help and the perpetrator was present. With mixed sex toilets your perpetrator can now follow you in without question.

I'm post menopausal but may buy a moon cup, fill it with likely-looking red liquid just to wash out at the mixed-sex basins in the mixed-sex loos.

Snap - I have two in the drawer, I also have a bottle of old red hair dye spare; I might pop them all in my bag for the opportunity that is bound to arise in the near future.

Except I wouldn't actually do this because I'm not a dick, and I think about the men in my life who would be rather embarrassed sharing a public toilet facility with a woman and also how the man at the next urinal might be a bit put off his flow by me using a she-wee next to him.

Which is why the only people that this benefits is those who don't give a fuck if they're upsetting other people when they are in a vulnerable position.

Can we get a list of places that have gone 'gender neutral', then any of us who are due to be near/in one of them can take up the task of being 'problematic'

If there are gender neutral toilets then anybody should be able to go into either toilet, end of. If a person who looks like e.g. Brian Blessed can use the ladies on the assertion of 'a feeling' then I can use the men's even though I'm wearing a dress, tights and heels. They're either all mixed sex or not. Anything else is discrimination, as is questioning me being a man. I'm a man because I say I am.

Except I wouldn't actually do this because I'm not a dick, and I think about the men in my life who would be rather embarrassed sharing a public toilet facility with a woman and also how the man at the next urinal might be a bit put off his flow by me using a she-wee next to him.

The relevant legislation is the Workplace (Health, Safety and Welfare) Regulations 1992. Regulation 20, Sanitary conveniences

Doesn't this come under health and safety legislation where workplaces are concerned?

Yes. They are required to provide single room conveniences where there are not separate male and female facilities.

www.hse.gov.uk/contact/faqs/toilets.htm

Loudly and publicly ask them to confirm that there will be separate provision for women as per the Equality Act 2010

Doesn't this come under health and safety legislation where workplaces are concerned?

Oh, I don't know. There was talk of making all the loos in my work building "gender-neutral". A few women raised the issue of the Equality Act around single sex provision but I didn't hear anyone talk of H&S

I'm post menopausal but may buy a moon cup, fill it with likely-looking red liquid just to wash out at the mixed-sex basins in the mixed-sex loos.