Join the mixed-sex loo resistance movement!

Yeah racism right there

Also changing a tampon and your toddler determined to help and shouting out instructions so the men in the queue can hear 🤦‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

yy BB

@SarahTancredi Obviously you should stop going out to pubs and nightclubs altogether and stay indoors at all times.

@Datun Yep, complete insanity. I actually also think there's an underlying racism there too. Of course women in forrin countries need single sex spaces because them forrin men are sex-crazed animals. But our men aren't, our men can be trusted to use women's facilities and not act inappropriately because our men are civilised. Our women, though, paranoid harpies.

What I wanna know is wtf as are supposed to do with our drinks.

If we get spiked it's our fault for leaving them unattended. So we take them into the toilets with us. Except now the blokes can follow us in and spike our drink there as I usually left mine on a windowsill as theres no where in the cubicle.

Suppose that would then he our fault again for going out in the first place

It is datun and butch.

Really is

Taking your kids and baby to the loos is a struggle enough when you can’t close the door without some men waiting in the queue. Watching

@SwanNecking No, we're also worried about rape and sexual assault and periods and pregnancies and miscarriages and childcare.....

I like it better like this because there are shorter wait times/queues - woman take bloody ages if you go to a woman's only toilet!

Like @Datun said, this is just such flawed logic. Women won't stop using (previously designated) women's toilets and start using (previously designated) men's. We will stick to our old toilets but there will be more people in there because there are also men. Duh.

But the other thing with this argument is that it proves why we need single sex provision. Women take longer in toilets because we have more complex biological needs (periods, pregnancy, menopause, breastfeeding issues etc.). We don't dawdle, we get in the cubicle, get what we need to do done and leave. It just takes longer than men because we need to take longer. The reasons we need to take longer are also the reasons we need single sex facilities. And more of them. And bigger.

Charities working on girls/women's rights/education in the global south are relentlessly/tirelessly campaigning for access to single sex facilities. They repeatedly tell us that not having access to single sex facilities impacts girl's ability to access education and have a life outside of the home and hugely increases incidents of sexual assault.

Exactly Butch.

Building boundaries with one hand and getting the general public to donate towards it, whilst dismantling them with the other, and getting the general public to donate to it.

It's almost the very definition of insanity.

Although a bit too basic and stupid.

So actually not nice.

Just dull.

Nice try SwanNecking.

If this all you have to worry about in life, complaining about bloody toilets?

Again, logic fail. Because all you're doing is complaining about people complaining about toilets. 🤣

If this all you have to worry about in life, complaining about bloody toilets?

Ohh is that because western men would never ever do a bad thing to a woman is that it butch. Must be

Moreover, I actually find the whole premise of the debate flawed. What I mean by that is that I just don't see why women have to justify why we want/need female-only toilets. We just do. Take our word for it.

Exactly.

And while they're at it, provide more of them, make them bigger, with a foot operated sanitary disposal unit, (which gets emptied as often as necessary for the love of God), with a couple of cubicles big enough to take a pram and a toddler.

I like it better like this because there are shorter wait times/queues - woman take bloody ages if you go to a woman's only toilet!

Dear lord. Of course, it's women's fault, that the provision is crap! So, I don't know, let's add some men in there as well!!!

Why does logic just fly off the cliff over toilet provision for women??

It's not hard.

And why ar3 we even having to justify ffs. Why

This wasn’t normal even last year that men were welcome into our loos

It’s just nonsense and we don’t have to apologise or justify it

@Datun Charities working on girls/women's rights/education in the global south are relentlessly/tirelessly campaigning for access to single sex facilities. They repeatedly tell us that not having access to single sex facilities impacts girl's ability to access education and have a life outside of the home and hugely increases incidents of sexual assault.

Meanwhile, in the UK..... TRAs/MRAs are consistently telling us they're "just toilets".

Yes blood-drenched toilets quite the norm.

I wear a full radiation suit and carry a hose when I have to go into those carnage pits of hell that are the average female toilet.

VictoriaSpongeAndTea

I'm so sorry for your experience. It's a source of continuing shock to me how some people don't understand why women want sex segregation in their toilets. As you say, miscarriages - they mostly do happen on the toilet.

Morning sickness, expressing milk, waters breaking, menstruation issues. And these are just to do with biology.

Every study shows that mixed sex facilities increases the predation on women.

Girl children at school are holding it in all day, rather than use mixed sex facilities. Some boys are relentless in their teasing and intimidation.

It's foolish to think this attitude does not often continue into adult hood. There will be a significant number of men who will love to throw their weight around in a woman's toilet. It's madness to expect that there isn't. They do it everywhere else.

And if you complain, you're the bigot.

@getoutofthatgarden202 You're very unreasonable to use the example of small restaurants with limited space when most of the mixed-sex toilet debate is about large organisations with ample space and lots of money.

@getoutofthatgarden202 Are you sure you hadn't stumbled upon a murder scene?

It's strange isn't it how those people who regularly see women toilets with piss all over the floor and blood dribbling down the walls like a scene out of Carrie are also the same people who have no problem with mixed sex toilets?

I'd be willing to bet the average male public toilet is much more grim that the average female toilet. No-one's saying women don't make mess and aren't absolutely gross sometimes but this sort of grim behaviour is far more common from men than women.

Moreover, I actually find the whole premise of the debate flawed. What I mean by that is that I just don't see why women have to justify why we want/need female-only toilets. We just do. Take our word for it.

Oh god the thought of a hidden camera capturing me miscarrying is enough to make me not envy

getoutofthatgardenn there lots of previously threads detailing why women don't like unisex toilets.
Reasons include safety, need to leave cubicle door open when seeing when you have small children with you, ensuring all toilets used have sanitary disposal bins, awkwardness about cleaning moocups/bloody hands at communal sinks, need to have some space away from men, e.g. Women's in nightclubs, away from male colleagues particularly in male dominated workplaces, need to have female support even that of strangers when you're having a miscarriage

Personally whilst I might joke, I find discussion of unisex toilets enough to trigger my distress using toilets during my three miscarriages. It would all have been worse if I'd had to use unisex toilets rather than having just other women around me. Particularly as one was at work. I hope you've never had and never will have a miscarriage but they are often messy, painful and incredibly distressing, just recalling them is making me cry. Trying to decide what to do about the fetus that might now be in the toilet is distressing. To go through that with male colleagues awkwardly pissing in a urinal beside rather than female colleagues comforting me would be horrendous

Yeah well I've seem woman's only toilets with blood splattered all over the floor seat and walls as well as piss on the floor etc - they seem like lame reasons - public toilets in general are just gross tbh!! I'd rather not have to ever use them at all - but unfortunately - have to use them all the time when you go out!

I think it's unreasonable to expect small restaurants to fit 2 separate areas for toilets - when a few cubicles is all that fit...

What about a petition?