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Join the mixed-sex loo resistance movement!

212 replies

WomanBornNotWorn · 03/10/2019 13:49

Ideas for what we can do:

Theatres etc - go up to box office loudly asking 'where are the ladies'?' again and again as loudly as you can so the representative has to keep repeating the answer - if you're in a group, take it in turns for variety.

Ring an offending restaurant and book a table for six. Then ask 'I assume you have separate men's and women's loos?' then when they say no, say 'ah no, that doesn't work for us. I'll cancel that and we'll book at (name bitterest rival restaurant that does have separate loos) instead'. Get everyone you know to do it. Make sure you've blocked your number.

Come out of cubicle with full moon cup and wash it out in front of any men present (just pray they're not menophiliac).

Stickers. Lots of stickers.

Learn the statistics so you can recite the evidence of sexual assaults in mixed space etc etc whenever you're contradicted. 'In fact, Home Office statistics show that xx% ... ' etc.

Train your daughters to understand why we are saying no and to have the confidence to speak out. And your sons, too.

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Ereshkigal · 03/10/2019 23:44

I agree. I've seen these reviews for a couple of places, can't remember exactly where. I would swerve if I had the casting vote of where to go.

Campervan69 · 03/10/2019 23:42

I think we could possibly all write TripAdvisor reviews for anywhere that has unsatisfactorily mixed sex facilities. Might be a useful thread to add links and then whoever goes to these places can add their own reviews to complain about the lack of female only provision.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 03/10/2019 23:34

The Handmaiden Society would be a more apt name for most of them.

wacademia · 03/10/2019 23:29

PP1 about mixed-sex uni loos: she says they know it's the way things have to be now, so, well, what can you do

PP2: This makes me so sad and so bloody cross. That this movement relies on women gritting their teeth and accepting it.

And the Uni "feminist" society will be the first to tell complainants that they are bigoted terfs who need to check their "cis privilege". FemSocs these days are not worthy of the name "feminist".

Datun · 03/10/2019 23:05

Seconded.

littlbrowndog · 03/10/2019 22:40

Awesome Charley 💪💪💪

CharlieParley · 03/10/2019 22:34

Train toilets are single-entry, single-occupancy with a sink entirely enclosed within the facility. They are unisex, not mixed-sex because they are used by one person, who is of course only of one sex, at any one time.

We are discussing multi-entry, multi-occupancy sanitary facilities that several people use at the same time. With blocks of cubicles with ideally lockable doors plus shared sinks. Only those can be mixed-sex.

As for those who see no problem with reducing toilet provision for women by allowing men access:

You may be okay, most of us are not. As you are not bothered by mixed-sex facilities, you may use them wherever you may find them.

Feel free not to avail yourself of the rights that our foremothers fought for, that countless women and girls across the world are still fighting for. But our right to privacy, dignity and safety in the female-only facilities is not yours to give away.

Consent is not transferable.

HumberElla · 03/10/2019 22:26

she says they know it's the way things have to be now, so, well, what can you do

This makes me so sad and so bloody cross. That this movement relies on women gritting their teeth and accepting it.

Actually, in the case of uni’s, parents and grandparents, who often pay the fees, should complain and demand single sex provision. Money talks now that unis are basically businesses.

Datun · 03/10/2019 22:20

I was quite sympathetic to the opposition to mixed sex loos. Then I went on a train journey. And realised I've been using mixed sex loos for years without realising it.

That's astonishing. So, all the reasons why you opposed mixed sex toilets, suddenly disappeared because of one bog?

Do you base all your other decisions on a singular, solitary experience? That not only is a single experience, but is only your experience?

I was quite sympathetic to rape survivors, until I realised I've never been raped.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 03/10/2019 21:24

And also always single occupancy, unless there's a special train with giant loos that I'm not aware of.

SlowasaSnail · 03/10/2019 21:20

In my experience, loos on trains are usually covered in men’s piss.

Bishybarnybee · 03/10/2019 21:14

I was quite sympathetic to the opposition to mixed sex loos. Then I went on a train journey. And realised I've been using mixed sex loos for years without realising it.

Aoibhneas · 03/10/2019 21:10

Womanbornnotworn
Genius idea

DodoPatrol · 03/10/2019 21:09

Conversation with a friend yesterday:
'How's [her first-year DD] getting on at uni?'
'Oh, fine - not very keen on the mixed loos, none of the girls are, but she says they know it's the way things have to be now, so, well, what can you do...'

Bloody girls and their good manners and niceness.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 03/10/2019 20:57

It's fascinating how it's always the women who a. hate other women and b. would love to share toilets with men who keep running across women's loos that look like a scene out of Hostel.

So, we're proposing that not only privacy (which both sexes prefer) be removed, but also all the other stuff that goes along with women's loos (place of temporary refuge when needed, women who understand periods and miscarriages and will treat other women who're having an emergency decently, relative difficulty for men to place hidden cameras, fact that women of some religious backgrounds etc simply cannot share) and weighing that up again "well some trans people and some women who resent the idea of other women having boundaries quite fancy them"? Cause if so, I think the choice should be fairly clear.

And like littlebrowndog said, this wasn't the norm even a year or two ago, and wasn't even proposed until a few years before that. You're being socially engineered into accepting a strange and unusual situation that benefits very few and disadvantages most and some are too thick to even realize it.

Whatisthisfuckery · 03/10/2019 20:41

Another thing about the traditional womens’ loo:

‘Oh shit, no loo paper.’ ‘Oh, here you go,’ and some loo paper magically appears under the partition.

Never been asked for a tampon by a stranger, but wish I had a quid for every time that’s happened. Who would feel comfortable with that from a bloke.

Actually, I lie. I once walked into the loos when two teenaged girls were panicking because one had come on. They didn’t ask for a towel but I discreetly handed a towel to one of them as I walked into the loo.

That’s another nono, hushed panicky conversations with your mate when you’ve been caught out.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 03/10/2019 20:33

I’ve only seen one absolute ‘loo of horrors’. Poo all up the walls - and I mean it looked like someone’s backside had exploded. Unisex loo.

We did have a bit of a ‘dirty protest’ in one of the ladies loos at work. The bosses were religious so each floor had one loo which was either designated male or female.

The one on our floor was female and there were 3 women who worked there. I was part time (so not in every day) and another woman had to leave bang on to pick up her kid from school.

Someone took it upon themselves to poo in the bins in the loo on our floor. It was one of those kitchen bins that was about 25cm wide and 80cm off the floor with a flip lid. Agility aside, how and why someone would poo on a bin (next to a functioning loo) was a mystery.

The receptionist was adamant that ‘it’s a man’. To be honest, some of the men in that place - it really wouldn’t surprise me.

janeevans · 03/10/2019 19:57

I think most of us are in agreement on this. It seems that in the days of PC and H&S that common sense and judgement go out of the window.
I think most of us are comfortable as things used to be. For whatever reason.
I also think that the average bloke would rather not share the ladies. After all girls are made of sugar and spice and that might come into question!
All this goes into the same basket as girls bro g made to wear trousers at school (to prevent up skirting. Hanging culprits would be a better solution!)

Hullygully · 03/10/2019 19:54

piss all over the floor and blood dribbling down the walls like a scene out of Carrie

This sentence haunts me. Where IS this fantastic torture loo?

GenderfreeJoe · 03/10/2019 19:51

piss all over the floor and blood dribbling down the walls like a scene out of Carrie

I've never seen this in the women's toilets. Plenty of piss over the floor in the men's though.

SlowasaSnail · 03/10/2019 19:50

I wish the people on here who have no issue with mixed sex toilets would ask their grandmas what their thoughts are about them. They do not want to share with men due to some in vogue notion.
My business is next to some public loos - women’s loos. These are well used by ladies over 60, many who have incontinence issues. The cleaning staff often have to help old ladies who have had an accident. I’d say it was a weekly ocvurance.
We recently had a victim of DV hide in the women’s loos as her attacker was outside. Other women kept her safe and called the police.

3timeslucky · 03/10/2019 19:41

Women's toilets have in my experience always been about more than a place to just use a toilet. They're frequently a place of refuge - usually from men (I'm thinking the escape from the over zealous drunk in the club or bar for example). They can be the place that you go crippled with period pains to wait til the drugs kick in and you can go back to work without grimacing. The place where you cry on your friend's shoulder because the guy you fancy has just snogged someone else (ok so that was a few lifetimes ago). The place where you go to put on your brave face and go out and face whatever knock you might have just taken. The place where you go with a friend or female colleague to sort out a solution to your period starting unexpectedly or flooding leaving your clothes stained and messed up. I want that sanctuary, that refuge, that place of safety, that women's space to be as available to my daughter as it has been to me.

bd67th · 03/10/2019 19:18

The answer for trans people is single-occupant loos, taken from the men's loo space.

We women will keep our cubicle farm loos with shared sink space, thanks.

bd67th · 03/10/2019 19:15

Urinary tract infections are much more common amongst women and girls and can kill.

I've been hospitalised twice with UTIs and my bacterial flora are now resistant to one of the two first-line antibiotics given for them, because I get them so often. The stock TPA retort of "you'll just have to hold it in like we do now" is a practice that could kill me.

The answer is single-occupant loos, taken from the men's loo space.

viques · 03/10/2019 19:12

Was at the Royal Court Theatre on Saturday. They have labelled their toilets

Cubicles

and

Cubicles and urinals.