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Old Vic Loos

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HDDD · 02/10/2019 12:38

Yay to double the loos - cos queueing for the ladies in the interval is a right faff
But, what, no actual ladies loos? - NO ACTUAL WOMEN ONLY LOOS
twitter.com/oldvictheatre/status/1179336786537005057 - thread
"The Old Vic @oldvictheatre
Our loos now offer ‘self-selection’ rather than being labelled male or female. This takes a descriptive, rather than prescriptive, approach following advice from surveys conducted with focus groups."

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LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 02/10/2019 20:10

Tempting as it may be to poo in the urinals...

Squashpocket · 02/10/2019 20:05

Am I understanding correctly that anyone can use any toilet they choose? So women can go in to what was formerly the men's and use the cubicles, presumably passing a line of men with their dicks out at the urinals?

And the men are ok with this? I'd assume they'd be just as, if not more horrified. After all women don't have to get their bits out in public to urinate (yet). Are there any men out there who can offer their perspective? Why is this ok with you?

stumbledin · 02/10/2019 19:53

Sorry to burst in on this theatrical dilema but I am bursting (and earlier in the day I was) to tell everyone about a public toilet firmly named Women at Baker Street tube station which can be accessed by passer bys.

I have been using the tube for decades and never knew it was there.

There are so few public toilets in London, let alone one that's free, I just had to share. Smile

Meanwhile back in the foyer of woke theatrical management .... I agree that it sounds like money has been raised and not used for the purpose stated.

Would also think anyone who has used the Theatre could contact the planning department in the local council and say what they have built is not on the agreed plans lodged with them.

OvaHere · 02/10/2019 19:31

It's unbelievable that they've had the gall to do this. It's bad enough that they erroneously think this mixed sex set up is acceptable to most people but the kicker is that they have raised money for it on a totally fraudulent basis.

I hope there is a way to take legal action and hit them where it hurts because it seems to me like a slam dunk case of obtaining funds by deception.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 02/10/2019 19:25

What? A system that works for women? But they told us it couldn’t be so!

sarahjconnor · 02/10/2019 19:25

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LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 02/10/2019 19:16

They have put their necks out there. Whoever is driving this really is clueless aren’t they?

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ThePawtriarchy · 02/10/2019 19:13

Hmmm, The Old Dick

HDDD · 02/10/2019 19:04

The more I think about this the more annoyed I get. And I'm still raging about the thread on here about the NHS selfID crap - which contradicts itself and should never have been published as actual guidance. It's all sneaking in and you have to keep your eyes everywhere to keep on top of it.

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TheChampagneGalop · 02/10/2019 18:56

It is.

OrchidInTheSun · 02/10/2019 18:53

I'm going to report them to the charity commission. You have to email them first, and then escalate. I shall do just that (although I haven't donated). They lied to donors. That's a fraudulent misuse of funds isn't it?

titchy · 02/10/2019 18:48

Wonder if a group of brave women could volunteer to tell front of house at the end of a matinee that they'd pissed on the seats as there weren't any loos they could use....

GrinitchSpinach · 02/10/2019 18:32

A long, long time ago in a galaxy far away, I worked in fundraising. At least in the US (and I would expect in the UK), organizations must be very, very clear about the allocation of the funds they raise. We had lawyers going over our every letter to ensure we were very precise in representing exactly where funds raised would go.

A tenner from me to the first donor to this campaign who takes the theatre to court for fraudulent fundraising (whatever the UK statute might be).

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 02/10/2019 18:01

I’d be asking for it back if I’d donated!

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 02/10/2019 18:00

I hope people who donated are going to get their money back.

Popchyk · 02/10/2019 17:58

And I'll just bet that the vast majority who donated to their crowdfunder for new loos are women. Because they were the ones affected by the lack of provision in the first place.

And the money has gone instead to increase male provision and decrease female provision.

It's a great trick of the patriarchy, isn't it? Screw women over and get them to pay for it.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 02/10/2019 17:17

Some smart person on twitter posted this...

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 02/10/2019 17:14

all the plans available on the Lambeth planning portal show clearly separated mens and womens toilets

That's interesting. Any planners who can say if that is a significant change?

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 02/10/2019 17:08

There really ought to be an app that tells you if the venue you are heading off to has single sex loos or not...

truthisarevolutionaryact · 02/10/2019 17:07

It is a predator's mindset - insisting that unwilling women must share toilets with men. The statistics are all there as evidence that this is a bad thing. Women (when asked) are very clear that they don't want to share toilets with men - as are most men.
The main advocates are the predators (who are over represented in these decision making processes) and those who have been persuaded that this group are the most vulnerable ever in society and their desires must be met at all costs (especially if those costs involve removing rights from women).

Michelleoftheresistance · 02/10/2019 17:06

It is of course based (as all of this is) on the hope that women will just put up, shut up and get used to it. After some initial kicking off and moaning, so it's just a case of waiting that out.

ARoombaOfOnesOwn · 02/10/2019 16:59

In theory, I’d like to do a Sue White in Green Wing. But in practice...

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pearlkent · 02/10/2019 16:59

Totally agree Michelle. I for one will definitely not use those establishments that have adopted this crap. I will also email all the theatres I previously attended to tell them why. If I go somewhere where I don't know in advance what their facilities are like and they turn out to be unisex, I will sticker them and never darken their doors again.
We need a massive new sticker campaign specifically targeted at theatres.

HumberElla · 02/10/2019 16:56

Yes michelle I agree with you. If they want my money they’ll have to cater to my needs and wishes.

HumberElla · 02/10/2019 16:54

Are there sanitary bins in the mixed sex toilets that have both cubicles and urinals? If not, why not if they’re all mixed sex?