Old Vic Loos

Evenly split?

oh well. only half the customers lost then.

with opinion evenly split on this deeply personal topic

I'd be interested to see how many of the patrons actually were keen on the PYO toilet and how many were blue haired goldsmiths students who've never been the Old Vic in their lives.

The Old Vic has lied to all the women who donated, all the women who fronted their ad campaign and all their female customers.

welcoming and comfortable for those who visit us, and that is fundamentally opposed to prejudice or intimidation. We are therefore incredibly appreciative of the wider comments on our new loos and have carefully listened to all viewpoints (before and since) to ensure that the right provision is offered.

it's always this weird sort of statement isn't it.
You can imagine all the places that have had Stonewall type training chanting this at once.

FIFY

The OldVic had made a non statement

www.oldvictheatre.com/news/2019/10/an-update-on-our-loos

There is a poll on Twitter about this by Theatremusings. It currently stands at 93% against. Interesting. But not surprising. Not that the Old Vic will take any notice of the complaints.

what about lesbians"?
Ooh yes you got me there. So feeble

The BTA chap seemed convinced that "gender neutral toilets" were the future and was confident that the were the solution to lack of provision for females.

If the Old Vic had consulted him, he'd presumably tell them what a marvellous job the chaps had done.

They discussed it on Vanessa Feltz' BBC Radio London show this morning too. She spoke to two people. I didn't catch the name of the first one but they had a man's voice (didn't say anything worth hearing) then; an actual woman who made some good points, but not anywhere near as angrily I would have made them.
I can't imagine why people are being even remotely tolerant about this. I told the Old Vic what I thought of them on Twitter!

Eresh, they are the same people who point that male attendants clean women's toilets and everyone is fine with that

I'm sure. What's next on the bingo card, "what about lesbians"?

To campaign for the provision of an adequate number of facilities for women, in relation to the number of facilities provided for men

Well yes, but theoretically the Old Vic has provided plenty of facilities for women. The fact that practically many women don’t feel this is an acceptable solution is by the by.

And... really, why the fuck didn’t they get a woman from the British Toilet Association? This is once again, women’s rights issue being debated by men.

Eresh, they are the same people who point that male attendants clean women's toilets and everyone is fine with that.

Why do so many idiots continue to make this easily ridiculed asinine riposte?

But interesting that the Toilet Association man said Old Vic hadn't consulted them. And then his utterly stupid comment about toilets at home being 'unisex. Aargh!

Interesting. The BTA does not state that campaigning for unisex toilets is part of its remit... In fact they specifically state one of their objectives is to

To campaign for the provision of an adequate number of facilities for women, in relation to the number of facilities provided for men

www.btaloos.co.uk/?page_id=7

Maybe they didn't know there was a Toilet Association?

I didn't hear any comments: thought they'd put it on at the end of the show precisely to avoid them. Men 'up their game'??? What in fuck's name does that mean? Jesus. But interesting that the Toilet Association man said Old Vic hadn't consulted them. And then his utterly stupid comment about toilets at home being 'unisex. Aargh!

I caught the JV show. Deeply disappointing. The guy from the British Toilet Association really didn't like people disagreeing with him.

As for the caller who suggested it might help men to up their game, I have no words.

Jeremy Vine?

JV? Whose that?

It's on JV show now.

They are not open to hearing all views.

they only answer fawning responses

Oh look - the Old Vic are open to feedback!! (Flexes typing fingers ... )

Interesting whilst my oh understands my concerns it's the prospect of women having to walk past him at urinals and his embarrassment that has got him riled up enough to be contemplating actually complaining. Pure self interest

However it's clear we need to make sharing toilets as uncomfortable for normal men as it is for women for anything to change. Loud requests for sanitary products, giving them the once over as we walk past the urinals. Not trying to hide the blood on our hands as we go to the sink after changing sanitary products.