New NHS guidance on same sex accommodation

Those Birmingham stats are shocking.

www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/shock-rape-figures-at-hospital-17014301.amp?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar&__twitter_impression=true

twitter.com/HairyLeggdHarpy/status/1179728307522277377

That quote Lamaha

The obligatory of course we don't believe all TW are like this, for obvious reasons.... but 100% of the TW accommodated in female provision in 18 months had to be removed from the female area when their behaviour, which was sexualised and aggressive, became extreme enough. So in 100% of cases where 'inclusive' policy was followed, women victims happened, and had to happen before anything could be done.

How blatant does the sexism need to be here?

Probably the same people who advised the EHRC on the Schools Guidance

Who is giving organisations such as Lancs NHS 'legal advice' on the Equality Act?

That reads as if they know that the emperor has no clothes on but that because of their 'legal advice' they believe they can't do anything about it.

Apologies if this was already posted, I haven't had time to read the last few pages.

Oops sorry for my Sarah Vine error, very dumb of me. Thanks popchyk.

Michael Conroy has started a petition 😍

mobile.twitter.com/MichealConraoi/status/1179405385737887745

Ruth not Rith!

I think it's interesting to note the first signatory to the revised guidance is Rith May, Chief Nursing Officer. How can someone who has been in nursing so long lack insight into how this will play out?

LOL it will probably go to the next desk .

pp above are right, they will have a (shared) Welsh Terrier

This is the heading on the reply from NHS England to my FOI request.

FOI, England (NHS ENGLAND & NHS IMPROVEMENT - X24), NHS England

Which makes it look as though the FOI requests for NHS England and NHS Improvement go to the same place.

But I don't suppose anyone has done any sort of impact assessment, because if they had, they wouldn't have a policy which effectively says 'A man should be accommodated on a female ward if he's wearing a dress and says he's a woman'.

('Opens in a new window' wasn't actually there - don't know where it came from)

I googled NHS Improvements and it came up with the following (is that 2019 or 2020?)

Working together
From 1 April, NHS England
opens in a new window
and NHS Improvement come together to act as a single organisation. Our aim is to better support the NHS and help improve care for patients.
It will mean we have one website but not quite yet. In the meantime you can continue to use our existing sites.

The whole problem is that you can't make case by case decisions on which people under stonewall's umbrella should be on women's wards by their personal preference rather than biological fact. There is nowhere you can put a line between male born people who have had extensive surgery and a long history of gender dysphoria and male born people who enjoy cross dressing and the sexual thrill of being in women's spaces, especially when it makes women uncomfortable and intimidated. It's forced the only solution to be no male born people at all in single sex women's spaces because women's privacy, dignity, needs and inclusion matters too.

The only way to do it without putting anyone under the bus is to have a blanket policy that people wishing to be accommodated by identity choice over biological sex are given private rooms/spaces. And the NHS better start creating more of those.

I would suggest that women who wish single sex spaces get the private rooms, since those women will be breathing 'thank god for that' as opposed to howling about segregation, but I don't think a hospital will have that many private spaces available.

You can hear NHS England going oh shit..... in that reply. Who's going to run the book on whether NHS Improvement have had the dog eat their impact assessment?

It's that bloody welsh terrier again, it gets everywhere.

Sarah Vine is a criminal barrister, Temporary. Not the journalist and wife of Michael Gove.

This policy has been going on for years. It's important to be aware of this. It isn't new. That doesn't make it ok or problem free.

I must say that I always recheck any views I find myself sharing with Sarah Vine. That's not a bad thing. I still agree with her in this case.

In my view there are definitely times and places when a trans person should be in hospital wards based on their sex and times when their gender presentation would be a more appropriate categorisation. Risk to all patients should be considered.

I've had a very swift reply from NHS England to my FOI request.

"NHS England does not hold this information. This document was produced by NHS Improvement (NHSI). As such, you may wish to contact NHS Improvement directly."

So I've redirected the request to NHS Improvement.
www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/equality_impact_assessment_for_d_2

This has been reported in the Telegraph.

(most of the article behind paywall but link is here)
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/10/01/transgender-patients-can-choose-treated-male-female-wards-new/

I know this because my mum told me about it this morning. She's a Telegraph reading pensioner and many of the things discussed on this board would not be on her radar (not least because she has no internet access). This story however has got through.

Dear fucking god, the endometriosis study linked via one of those tweets.

endometriosis.org/news/research/attractiveness-of-women-with-endometriosis/

So, like, sure, women are in pain and are not being offered much in the way of useful treatment, but what would really be useful and interesting would be to study how this correlates with how much we, the male researchers, want to shag them. This is super important, everyone, and we will continue to defend it even after angry women point out how bloody stupid it is.

Sarah Vine, (the criminal barrister, not the journalist and wife of Michael Gove) tweets:

twitter.com/SarahVAtDSC/status/1179078409105940480

"This policy is, I am sure, well-intentioned, and aimed at protecting the dignity, privacy and safety of trans patients. I am also sure it requires a great deal more careful thought, because in its current form it wholly displaces the dignity, privacy and safety of female patients"

There seems to be a few women in the legal profession pricking up their ears these days.

A sign of the tide turning that they are going public with their thoughts.

Alison Bailey, criminal defence barrister, also retweeted Cath Leng's tweet about same-sex accommodation and has been vocal on Twitter generally.

twitter.com/BluskyeAllison

Joanna Cherry of course is a barrister who worked as a specialist sex crimes prosecutor. She has said that experience made her alert to the dangers of self-ID.

Those comments....

I see the dissenters are down to either trying to argue that Morgan is no defender of women's rights (so shouldn't have said it presumably) or in the case of one twit, trying whataboutery/NAMALTING. They've got nothing else.

More dispiriting are the wails of 'where are the feminists? Why aren't they doing something about it?'

Because of policy capture. We've been screaming to be heard for years now. When this finally blows up in Westminster's face, some major changes to system are going to be required to prevent another political lobby successfully infiltrating and controlling a system that has a duty to be neutral and even handed. This will be a text book example of How Parliament Majorly Fucked Up for centuries to come.

Incidentally if I see another bepenised misogynist twit come out with the 'well you feminists kept voting for progressive politics, you only have yourselves to blame' I may eat them a la praying mantis. It translates as 'see what happens when you silly girls get above yourselves and try getting out of your box?'.

Piers Morgan saying what he sees.

twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1179075451937071105

"What a joke.
This isn't 'equality' - it's an assault on women's rights".