Should I object to this drag event or not?

I wonder if the increase of violent porn watching by "women" is caused by the same thing as the dramatic increase in "women" committing violent crimes.

You are basing your view of what porn women watch on data from an anonymised website. I'm a bloke and when confronted by a box asking what 'gender' I am I almost always click female just 'cos I can. Seriously I'd love to see their methodology because I rather suspect it wouldn't stand the slightest scrutiny.

I remember this study. It was discussed previously on here and I read several linked articles.

It was conducted with Google Analytics which has been tested against more traditional methods and been proven to be accurate in analysing large data sets - businesses use it for their marketing analysis.

Everybody who uses Google products (Google web browser, Gmail, etc) must necessarily agree to Google's terms of service, which allows them to track your internet usage and browsing history - through the use of a cookie which downloads to your computer I believe.

The user analysis can look at such things as the browser searches you make, the websites you access, and the channels you subscribe to (e.g. on YouTube). It can also access your sign up details (name/DOB used when creating your account). Generally, this data has been proven to yield accurate results. If somebody signs up with the name 'Sarah', subscribes to Zoella's channel on YouTube, and mainly watches channels/accesses sites about women's fashion and feminism, she's likely to be female.

Similarly, if somebody signs up with the name 'Dave', indicates they're male, subscribes to MMA channels on YouTube, and regularly searches things like 'Arsenal vs Chelsea score', they're probably male. Across millions of users (which Pornhub has) this data can build a very accurate picture - it's been proven by studies.

I don't think the point here is about women being violent, it's challenging the statement that 'there is a whole multi billion pound industry based on men’s wish to see women hurt and degraded'.

If the most violent porn is viewed overwhelming by women, then they are supporting this industry and partly responsible for it's continuation as it wouldn't be produced without any audience to cater for. Of course, men are still by far the principle demographic, and all porn is degrading to women. But it is certainly a bit alarming that women are prime consumers for the most violent type and I don't think this fact should be ignored.

Really LordRandall? You are basing your view of what porn women watch on data from an anonymised website. I'm a bloke and when confronted by a box asking what 'gender' I am I almost always click female just 'cos I can. Seriously I'd love to see their methodology because I rather suspect it wouldn't stand the slightest scrutiny. Nice of you to admit that men do use porn more than women. How much more you don't say. Is it similar to sex crimes where it is 99% male? But I suspect you are the type of person who whines 'but women do it too' so even if it was one woman to a million men you'd still feel it justified excusing male behaviour. I also note that the researchers thought that women searching for violent porn may well have been the victims of violence. Fucked up for sure but not in keeping with your narrative that women are violent abusers too.

Oh - unless it's that the violent porn appeals to women more and therefore, the porn industry is somehow a service to womanhood?

Non-violent porn features trafficked women, features underage girls, features women who, despite appearances, are non consensual - do we have to be whipped, spat on and punched for the porn industry to be held to account for it's treatment of women? Or could we maybe recognise that something which generates a shitload of money off the back of vulnerable women, is not a good thing?

Really, LordRandall - someone's fantasy life or porn habits somehow mean they love a bit of violence, they're asking for it, they deserve it? What is your point?

There is a whole multi billion pound industry based on men’s wish to see women hurt and degraded.

Um...

A quarter of straight porn searches by women are for videos featuring violence against their own sex. Five percent of searches by women are for content portraying nonconsensual sex. While men still search for significantly more porn than women, search rates for these more extreme types of sexual content are at least twice as common among women than men.

Those statistics make for fairly surprising reading, but are the facts Dr Seth Stephens-Davidowitz, a former Google data scientist, discovered when he was given complete access to PornHub's search and views data for his upcoming book. "If there is a genre of porn in which violence is perpetrated against a woman, my analysis of the data shows that it almost always appeals disproportionately to women," he writes.

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www.google.com/amp/s/www.vice.com/amp/en_uk/article/bm9w7v/why-are-so-many-women-searching-for-ultra-violent-porn

Or are we victim blaming - i.e. the victim shared the same sex as his murderer so he deserved it?

Do you think it makes a difference to the victim's family whether a man or woman killed them?

Who are those men killed by? Other men. There is a whole multi billion pound industry based on men’s wish to see women hurt and degraded and the violence and abuse stats speak for themselves sadly

It’s not a competition and this transcends race.

And men make up almost 80% of homicide victims, meaning that upwards of 400 men are presumably killed daily (not that the study you reference actually looked at men- wonder why?).

I stand by my statement that women as a group have not had it as hard as black people, especially white women from first world countries.

I think the stats are 137 women killed every day worldwide by a partner or family member. How on earth can you say that the worst that has happened is being patronised LordRandall???

Oh, and the order of men most likely to kill a woman is husband/partner, then father, then brother. So the very people who claim to love is.

@LordRandallXV

Because women haven't been as brutally subjugated as black people have, whatever some feminist might believe. Patronised and made inferior perhaps but not sent to work (literally) to death in the fields and beaten/tortured like POC were

Are we playing oppression trumps here ?

Two women a week are MURDERED any their partners / ex’s here in the UK.

Tens of thousands are raped and sexually assaulted . Thousands are trafficked. Little girls are mutilated .

That’s before we talk about women overseas.

It’s not really about being patronised.

Because women haven't been as brutally subjugated as black people have, whatever some feminist might believe. Patronised and made inferior perhaps but not sent to work (literally) to death in the fields and beaten/tortured like POC were.

There was no chivalry for black people...

My local retirement village residency had a drag artist in the other week.

The visit gained a page spread in the local care home (we can't even get an article in re a serious issue) and loads of rainbows/fanfare and fawning from the female reporter.

'Ginger' was in town as part of an inclusive programme to widen residents' knowledge of LGBTQ.

Surely the home (which patted itself on the back for being so progressive) could have done all of that without a bloke doing an awful parody of a woman?

My mum loves Danny La Rue, Lily Savage, Mrs Brown. The Two Ronnies delivered some terrific character performances in drag. I grew up enjoying panto dames. We went to see Hinge and Bracket perform. So I can appreciate artistry, costume, performance skill etc etc.

But.

It's not ok to black up as Othello or stick on a false nose as Shylock.

Black & White Minstrels will never be shown again.

Big hoohas over Zulu, native American, Chinese costumes etc being cultural appropriation.

So why is it 'ok' to tuck, pad, wig and slap to present a usually quite grotesque parody of women? Graham Norton's audience going silly over Ru Paul annoyed me.

I only aim at the powerful. When satire is aimed at the powerless, it is not only cruel - it's vulgar. Molly Ivins

Punching down the hierarchy is never good, for any reason.

Drag is gay men gaining acceptability from straight men by mocking a target they both hate (i.e. women).

Because straight men love a drag queen, right? 😂

Charity is a broad church these days and I no longer take them at face value due to the likes of Mermaids.

Charity can mean a cause that I care passionately about, whose ethics I align to.

Charity can also mean
Children in Need fundraising for Mermaids, or NSPCC employing rubber man, or Barnado's sponsoring Stonewall Champion Schools' gender ideology programme, or Kids Company or Oxfam and Haiti.

Just because a man puts on a woman costume for 'charity' it does not automatically mean a free pass to behave how they want.

Yes, I'd opt out & say why.

Charideee is generally hugely reliant on women doing the heavy lifting.

Just wish them well, say you're uncomfortable with it & why.

You're unlikely to be alone!

Temporary - I thought you must work with me then as my works Xmas do also had burlesque for two years running. I did say how uncomfortable it had made me feel the second time round (and this was many years ago before I realised just how important women's rights are to me) and everyone I spoke to, women included, just shrugged it off

These days - I would not go and say why, although only perhaps to my line management who are well aware of my views. My FTSE 100 company has well and truly drank the kool-aid and I felt anxious stating I was gender free on a recent work survey. But it's true - that is how I feel.. if you're going to ask me what gender I identify with, that's my answer.

A fun run not all that long ago had a donation refused because the men dressed as ‘sexy nurses’ and the charity found that pretty offensive.

I agree - women are told ‘be quiet, don’t make a fuss, be agreeable, be nice, don’t rock the boat’. Look where that got us.

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Oh fgs get a grip. It is for charity, if you feel so uncomfortable don't bother going.

What has getting a grip got to do with it? Lots of women feel insulted by drag, and they're entitled to their feelings. In the OP's shoes I wouldn't volunteer, and I'd make my objections known. Why are women always supposed to shut up and be nice? "It's for charity" isn't a valid argument for putting up with being insulted to your fucking face.

Drag is gay men gaining acceptability from straight men by mocking a target they both hate (i.e. women).

God knows Grim. It was one of those huge pubs with multiple work parties at the same event. The thing I hated most was the crowd of tanked up men (not from my workplace) suddenly rushing to stand by the dancefloor stage to look at bare breasts which nobody could object to because it's empowerfulising for the burlesque artist.