Not having sex with someone because they don't have the right genitals is transphobic. No prizes for guessing who's claiming this

Very entertaining. Nothing like biting the hand that feeds you!

Has RM peak transed Harrock? I was going to cut and paste but I thought i would try a screen shot hope this works

Only matters when it affects men in anyway.........

So now it affects him.he speaks up?

Where was he when lesbians got thrown out of pride for saying the same ?

I remember seeing in the breakdown of participants in the original study that only 9% of lesbians were prepared to date an MTF trans person, so it appears the woke ones are mostly lying or disproportionately over represented on social media.

And that is 9% when it was only theoretical too.

That's only 9% of people willing to be like the "pan princess" I quoted earlier. She talks a good talk. But she walked down the aisle with a heterosexual man...

The other 89% won't entertain the idea of it, not even for woke points.

Has RM peak transed Harrock? I was going to cut and paste but I thought i would try a screen shot hope this works

Again, vilifying and scolding someone for their OWN sexual preference is so utterly ridiculous that I am almost convinced RM doesn't actually believe what they are saying and just wants to be a bit famous.

How fucking DARE you. How dare you?! For someone who claims to be an intellectual, your critical thinking skills are woefully lacking.

And don't you dare blame this on transphobia, if you were born in a female body and still spouted such hateful shit then you'd still be thought of as a misogynist and bully.

RM says "Pansexuality is the only morally defensible orientation."

Really. Really?! A few questions...

If gender, sex and sexuality all mean so little to you then why would you want people to change their gender / sex / sexuality?!

If tackling oppression is so important to you then how can you justify vilifying people for their own sexual preferences if they don't want to have sex with a trans person?

If the trans community is :9 important to you then why do you continue to make their life harder by claiming to speak for them when all my trans friends are devastated at the harm you are causing them? You are putting words in their mouth that they do not agree with and making them vulnerable to people who think you do speak for them.

And finally RM, if trans women are women, why do you hate women so fucking much?

It is a disgrace RM still has their job. A disgrace. I'm appalled that after everything women have fought for centuries to get a mere attempt at equality, a male born person who now identifies as female is still valued more than a female person who identifies as female.

I am so fucking sick of this shit.

Shame on you RM, not that you give a fuck.

Pansexuality is the only moral choice

Ok, what a relief. RM has solved the whole issue. Because if the LGB people are just making naughty and socially immoral choices re their sexuality that they should just get over (or suffer silently without showing it) then very obviously by extension the T+ people can just get over their transness too. Because the whole point of LGBT was that T people like LGB people don't choose they just are. You can't have it both ways.

Or we could just get a grip on basic common sense and say that your absolute right to swing your arms around any way that suits you ends at someone else's nose. Do whatever makes you happy if it doesn't infringe anyone else's needs or rights. And if you're over 18, then someone saying 'no' to you is not an infringement or harm to you and you need to seek out psychological help to deal with your social skills and ability to recognise and respect other people's boundaries. You may have a reason why this is challenging for you; it is not an excuse. No one is exempt from the social contract, no one matters more than anyone else, no one has more rights than anyone else.

Ah Rach love (I heard you read this, which is cool) - please have a wee chat to your Mom or anyone else you love and trust.

Saying “pansexuality is the only moral choice” is no better than saying “heterosexuality is the only moral choice.”

Both statements implicitly judge and shame people whose sexuality is “wrong.” You sound just like the religious right.

[Also, please stop appropriating the pain of racism to prop up weak arguments, thanks]

How the ever loving fuck are we supposed to raise happy and confident young lesbians and gay men, with shitty ideas like this flying about?

You are not supposed to raise them to be anything other than a participant of Trans ideology.

What a manipulative rapey bastard.

Rachel appears to be imploding

They are taking a stance that virtually no one will...and can agree with

Q. If you force yourself to have sex with the genitalia you don’t like for two years but still hate it - can you give up?

A. Nope.

Oh, Rachel is really going for it now. Sexual orientation is basically the same as racism.

How the ever loving fuck are we supposed to raise happy and confident young lesbians and gay men, with shitty ideas like this flying about?

I agree with previous posters that this is a deliberate attempt to convince young, naive LGB people that this is what they need to go along with if they don’t want to be bigots. It’s up to us more mature, wiser people who see through this shit to let them know it’s coercive bullshit and it’s ok to say no.

Responding from a couple of pages back in the thread, but yes, Errol that was a verbatim quote. Screenshot here for anyone who can't or doesn't want to see Rache's feed.

I was reading the thread newest first and for a moment thought I was on the Leeds one. Funny, that.

Anyway. I'm rebranding MBE to Member of the Bellend Empire.

Any suggestions for the first cohort of recipients?

Prostitution is empowering! Except when you get murdered. Odd how that seems to happen a lot more often than in any other profession.

(Most dangerous job in the world, statistically speaking. But in an empowering way, obviously.)

What did Paris have to say about this? It does tend to be interesting that the TRAs who're a. gay and b. not class privileged tend to have a point beyond which they won't go. It's still not set in what I'd consider to be a reasonable place, but it's not set at "I just assume I can get away with whatever I want if I scream enough" the way it is with the straight, class privileged ones. The gay, working class ones know that if a backlash comes it will hit them first and their former mates in the academy and politics will do nothing to protect them.

Yes. Concur. Movement is as classist as it gets. Which, presumably, is why they use the black trans prostitute murder stats in a way that suits them while simultaneously extolling the virtues of sex work.

Gay men’s voices are ignored by queer/woke activists (much like women’s voices are) they are dismissed as having assimilated into cishet culture

Like Pink News reporting on Douglas Murray's interview about Sam Smith with Afua Hirsch (where she misgendered SS in amusing error) and neglecting to mention that DM was the only person in the room who wasn't straight.

The thing I don't think most people realize is that a good chunk of the modern queer movement is actually straight people, who give about as many fucks about the needs and priorities of gay people of either sex as you'd expect.

Gay men do care but it doesn’t affect their physical safety the way the same issues affect women. Transmen in gay saunas and on gay hook up apps are an annoyance, rather than a threat.

Gay men’s voices are ignored by queer/woke activists (much like women’s voices are) they are dismissed as having assimilated into cishet culture, gay marriage has made them part of the establishment (see democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg as an example: www.queerty.com/writer-questions-pete-buttigieg-gay-enough-first-gay-president-cue-outrage-20190329 )

Gay men tend to be targeted with whinging rather than rage and threats of violence. And wouldn't take threats all that seriously coming from people they could hold off with one hand anyway.

What did Paris have to say about this? It does tend to be interesting that the TRAs who're a. gay and b. not class privileged tend to have a point beyond which they won't go. It's still not set in what I'd consider to be a reasonable place, but it's not set at "I just assume I can get away with whatever I want if I scream enough" the way it is with the straight, class privileged ones. The gay, working class ones know that if a backlash comes it will hit them first and their former mates in the academy and politics will do nothing to protect them.