Not having sex with someone because they don't have the right genitals is transphobic. No prizes for guessing who's claiming this

So we just have to shag whoever or whatever and not have any preference on their genitals.

Otherwise transphobic.

Lol 👌

The thing is, though, isn't Rachel's position is in fact the completely logical end point of trans ideology?

Yes.

The thing is, though, isn't Rachel's position is in fact the completely logical end point of trans ideology?

If Transwomen are women and Transmen are men, and genitals are immaterial interchangeable appendages that bear no relation to one's chosen gender, then really nobody who has been cleansed of 'transphobia' should have any kind of preference for either sex or any gender. Or am I missing something?

Am I alone in finding the tweet in the screenshot after the 'everything except pan is immoral one' completely incomprehensible? I mean, I know RM is supposed to be a philosopher and 'public intellectual' but that doesn't mean you have to write things which can't be understood by normal people does it?

Oh well. Maybe it's ok in RMS book to be a theoretical pansexual, but in practice choosing individuals mysteriously always end up with particular category(s) as partners. Or no partners, or just the one.

Ha @LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD that's probably a more therapeutic way of dealing with the ridiculousness.

It's got to the stage now where I wouldn't be surprised if RM didn't want a few measly women to push RM's bike around the course in future races. Why should RM have to do it?! You transphobes!

I’m not bashing my head but throwing it back and guffawing loudly. Which must be a bit of a surprise to rest of the audience but hey, the presentation had a couple of jokes in it...

@tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz

Curly you can literally hear the sound of hundreds of MNers bashing their heads off tables at the stupidity of it, can't you?

You probably heard mine even if you're on the other side of the world!!

RM is either so idiotic they can't follow their own argument with critical thinking or such a misogynist bully they don't give a shit about women at all.

Why would you want to be a woman when you hate them so much?!

I've just said this in another posts but I think it warrants repeating - most people don't want to have sex with people who don't want to sleep with them. RM says transphobia, I say "consent".

Honestly some days I'm really fucking pissed off and others I almost can't be arsed to state the obvious. Then RM pops up and pissed me off just enough again that I can't help myself.

Wait so is gay black woman racist if she doesn't want to have sex with me, a bisexual white woman?

For fucks sake RM, if your argument is that we must be able to live by our own truths and not be frightened of judgement because our genitals and sexual identity are ours and ours alone to decide then why the fuck are you judging people (eg calling them transphobic) on how they use their genitals and how they perceive their sexual identity.

"Because transphobia" does not make people's requests for you to explain yourself null and void.

Spoiler alert - most people don't want to sleep with people who don't want to sleep with them. That's kind of how the whole consenting sex thing works.

RM you are doing the most damage to the hard work of brave trans people before you who have fought to gain acceptance and understanding. You do not speak for them. You make their life harder.

lol @ that tweet.

Ha ha ha. Sincerely hope someone's reminded him of that tweet.

But not for relationship purposes, of course.

'Woke in the tweets, t**f in the sheets' has been something said about lesbians for some time now.

Let's face it, many school/university aged kids have swiftly learned that answering 'pan' means the nut jobs move on and look for a new victim to harass. As with much of this agenda, it does not pay to be honest about what you actually think and do when not being stood over by a representative of the one true faith. 'Cause respecting other people's needs, feelings, rights etc not really a strength there.

Arya how about Trans Exclusionary Radical Doctor, or TERD for short

Arya how about Trans Exclusionary Radical Doctor, or TERD for short?

Fitting

Very good point curly

Curly you can literally hear the sound of hundreds of MNers bashing their heads off tables at the stupidity of it, can't you?

FFS RM.

IF GENITAL PREFERENCES WERE TRANSPHOBIC THEN GENDER REASSIGNMENT WOULD BE TRANSPHOBIC TOO!

Oh my gosh Dr Haddock has waded in to disagree. This is getting very interesting now ...

I don't think I've seen him "respectfully agree to disagree " with anyone an actual woman before so, yeah, not bothered until it's a possibility he could be labelled as The Enemy.

Arya how about Trans Exclusionary Radical Doctor, or TERD for short?

I'm not sure if this is more offensive to the "immoral" heterosexual and gay people or the sexual dustbin category bisexuals who are morally obliged to hop into bed with whoever is thrown our way.

There are a lot of things I thought of typing here but I'm concerned now that Rachel is on course for a crisis and the mum in me just can't pile in.

I will say though that Rachel seems to have totally forgotten the script- if sexual orientations relate to gender then of course straight women don't want a dick attached to a woman. They fancy short hair and men's clothes (whatever those are)!

I think he’s conditioned to be horrible to woman who disagree - one of —those_ men who see women as lesser beings.

What a shame 'pansexuality' is the only moral choice given it doesn't actually exist rendering every single human being, all 7 billion and odds of us, immoral.

You see, McKinnon, there are two sexes, count 'em, male, female, one, two. There is no other sex. Just the two.

This means their are four possible sexual orientations.

heterosexual- exclusively attracted to the opposite sex
homosexual- exclusively attracted to the same sex
bisexual- attracted to both sexes
asexual- attracted to neither sex

The fact that some people are in denial of their sex does not any other sex produce.

This is not a question of philosophy but of basic arithmetic. Two sexes means two times two, ie four possible orientations. Everything else is attention seeking horseshit.

So does that make Harrop transphobic then?

What's the male version of TERF? None? oh

Male-born Rachel gets "respectfully disagree" from Harrop.
Female-born people get doxxed, abused, threatened and the rest.

Hmm. What a puzzler as to why that might be.

So does that make Harrop transphobic then?

Of course, Harrop can often be found respectfully agreeing to disagree.