They them pronouns

all three titles Miss, Mrs and Ms are short forms of Mistress

Yes, that's why I genuinely would prefer mistress if I must have a title. Still don't see the point of titles though.

Can't say as I'm bothered enough to be campaigning/complaining on the matter, mind. Life's too short.

also angry about the fact that female teachers are Miss, a term used for a young girl and probably reflective of the fact that married women were not allowed to be teachers in the past. Whereas male teachers are Sir, a term of reverence and respect. I think language does matter. Things like this reinforce women’s low status continuously.

Yes. My GM was a teacher at the start of WWI. When she married, the normal expectation was that she would stop working. As the war had caused a shortage of teachers, her school board agreed to her continuing - but were surprised when she insisted that they continued to pay her!
DM stopped teaching either when she married or was expecting my eldest brother in the 50s. Things had changed by the time I was 5 in the 60s, though she was criticised by some for returning to work. Her salary as a primary teacher was a lot lower than DF who was a 'schoolmaster'.

'Housewife' wasn't a derogatory term at the time - it was the normal, socially approved term for most mothers.

Anyone calling them Lady would have been taking their life in their hands. None of them had a problem with Miss

'Madam' was seen, by the headteacher, as a mark of respect, and one of equality with the use of ' Sir' for the male staff.

Lady is the female equivalent of Sir surely?

Not in everyday plebeian life. It is 'Sir' and 'Madam'.

If it makes you feel any better pota, the kids quite often get miss and sir mixed up, both ways round.

I just don’t like the fact that it’s legitimate for the outside world to continuously ask me whether or not I am married

Yes, it's annoying, but in the grand scheme of things there are far more pressing concerns and issues. Certainly for me.

Lady is the female equivalent of Sir surely?

My mum, my aunt, my paternal grandmother were all teachers.

Anyone calling them Lady would have been taking their life in their hands. None of them had a problem with Miss.

Just also angry about the fact that female teachers are Miss....

Yes, but with time you'll probably chill out a bit......

I quite liked being called 'Miss" when I taught.

I also used to teach at a school in which all female staff where referred to as 'Madam' by the pupils. It was a quirk of the idiosyncratic head teacher. He also used, personally, to refer to all female staff as 'Sister'.
It was a catholic school.

Arnold yup and also all three titles Miss, Mrs and Ms are short forms of Mistress- ie the same word! But we have to be distinguished by our marital relationships.

And Just I know who I am personally. I just don’t like the fact that it’s legitimate for the outside world to continuously ask me whether or not I am married just because I happen to have been born with a vagina, when the same treatment is never used for men.

Just also angry about the fact that female teachers are Miss, a term used for a young girl and probably reflective of the fact that married women were not allowed to be teachers in the past. Whereas male teachers are Sir, a term of reverence and respect. I think language does matter. Things like this reinforce women’s low status continuously.

I dislike titles generally. I really don't see the point of them. If asked I always say I prefer mistress. No one will ever accept my preference (and it really is my preference) the mis-honourificking bastards.

Just I get very pissed off by titles though and think it is hideously sexist that women have three depending on marital status when men have just one. I loathe it

I did when I was younger.....but I'm no longer personally aggrieved by it. I know who and what I am, and am secure in that.

Just I get very pissed off by titles though and think it is hideously sexist that women have three depending on marital status when men have just one. I loathe it. I have a gender-neutral title now (Dr) but one thing that is guaranteed to get me enraged is if people tell me that it doesn’t matter and not to make a fuss. Yes, it does matter and it just demonstrates the disgusting sexism in society that continues. I appreciate it’s not pronouns but it is something where something seemingly trivial is enraging to me.

It's fairly standard for pupils to call female teachers 'Miss'- whatever her marital/personal status.

It doesn't matter.

Well, were They walking around telling everyone they spoke to, that THEY wanted to be referred to as THEY? No I doubt it.
If anyone refers to me as "they" instead of "she" or "her" I am going to be offended because I am a woman and wish to me referred to using female pronouns.
Honestly what a load of shite. It doesn't even make sense. Sometimes "they" or "them" doesn't even fit in the sentence, you have to use "it", which I'm guessing they would find offensive.

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When people as whether I'm, " Mrs, Miss or Ms?", I usually respond, "Whatever; I'm not bothered".

At the end of the day does it really matter? One's sense of self and identity should not be so fragile as to have to rest on labels and titles.

"My prounouns are" as a statement/command represents a fundamental misunderstanding of how language works.

I think the whole thing about gender is brought about because society and patriarchy has made ‘she’ mean something to some people that they don’t like. But the only real solution can be to change the underlying meaning, not the language. Even if you use they pronouns, you will still get treated a certain way if you are perceived to be female. Enforcing your pronouns doesn’t liberate you.

On reflection, pota2 is right about those constructs involving third person pronouns being quite common. We simply don't notice them - whether saying or hearing them - because they are nearly always congruent.

I agree. She/her tends to get used outside of ear shot for us mere mortals. I can understand celebrities have to sit and listen to introductions about themselves before interviews or perhaps when others are giving reviews. So getting animated about pronouns in that situation seems more legitimate

Personally I like to hear bitch as my pronoun. Bitch wants to see a manager. Bitch said there’s a problem with this blue hair dye etc. Makes me feel warm inside.

Beamur but then we agree that people DO tend to hear their gendered pronouns quite a lot on a daily basis and there is nothing rude or strange about it as others have suggested on here. It’s like saying it’s rude to say someone’s name or something.

I meant whether she's the cat's mother or aunt...

Pota
That is what I meant.