They them pronouns

It’s the mememe generation plus social media. Self-centred All flair and no substance. Lack of critical thinking and compassion.

People whining about ‘they called me ‘she’ when obviously I feel like a ‘he/them’ when the planet is overheating and the amazon is on fire. The doomsday clock is ticking away and all people seem to give two hoots about is ‘I feel like a man today so I’ll wear a hat!!’.

Genderism is the symptom, but the underlying disease is narcissism. We have exchanged concern for others for just me, awareness of our community for only that which affects me, and any sense of greater purpose in life to just my own personal "feelings" of happiness, (not even genuine contentment).

The only pronouns these people really care about are 'I' and 'me'.

I saw an HCP in hospital scrubs the other day wearing a badge with "they/their" on it. It struck me as positively cruel to patients who are vulnerable, scared and probably a bit overwhelmed by being in hospital to insist they refer to a clearly male person as "they".

What did you say - how did you react to ‘the rage’. It’s like when a minor royal has a hissy fit if you called them by their name rather than title.

One of my non-binary patients came in the other day for a routine check-up and had a mini-tantrum when I accidentally slipped up at one point and asked her mom if she would like "her" to get the flu vaccine. (I had dutifully used they and them for the whole visit up to that point.)

It is now crystal clear to me that the whole gender movement is the consequence of a self-obsessed population. Genderism is the symptom, but the underlying disease is narcissism. We have exchanged concern for others for just me, awareness of our community for only that which affects me, and any sense of greater purpose in life to just my own personal "feelings" of happiness, (not even genuine contentment). It's sad and it disgusts me.

I think at a certain point they will come up with an alternative to 'you' as well

I'm all for a return of the singular thou, thee, thy and nominative plural ye.

Much more interesting than whining on about third person pronouns.

I just read a post where a woman very kindly explained that pronouns do not function like white-out for those dissatisfied with reality.

Interesting point about aunts and uncles and nieces and nephews where there is no alternative. Does that mean we have to use child, parent, grandparent, sibling, sibling in law, parent in law?

I think at a certain point they will come up with an alternative to 'you' as well, otherwise, as everyone says, pronouns are pretty irrelevant in a conversation with someone and it doesn't provide enough scope for validation and outrage.

I've never been asked to state my pronouns, but I've decided that I'll request XX/XX.

How often do you hear your pronouns
Couldn’t tell you. But I’m not going around counting just so I’ve got something to whinge about. I’m extremely easy going. So much so, that when a lady assumed my toddler DS was a girl because his T-shirt was a bit too long and dress-like, I didn’t even call the police.

I'm going to the bank on Monday to get my title changed to Ms on my account and my cards.
I hope it's easy. I'm too old to be a miss. It bothers me. So I will change it.

I, me, you, your, are what I hear most often because I am not a nosy parker like blue bouffant.
"I'd rather be rude than a liar." is my current position.

Regarding this: Like you ( I'm imagining you are in your late 20's /early 30's) many women, when younger, or fresh to the women's movement/feminism, got riled about these things - but have since gained more perspective and sense of priority - and our selves and identities have formed in such a way that they don't, necessarily, hinge on these issues.
I am 73 and have been pissed off about the dominance/submission language rules for 56 years, so obviously we do not all improve in the ways you clearly imagine you have done.

Someone said upthread that it used to be considered rude to use pronouns in front of people. That's not really true

Well, it clearly was rude in the context in which the poster was referring to If one is present during a discussion, it would be considered rude for people to say " she said", or "he said" rather than use your name.

Pronouns do get used in group situations, but rarely outside of that. To use people's preferred pronouns is a politeness, but should not be a 'if you don't do this you are committing literal violence against me omg'.

One thing rarely brought up in this context is that for decades queer people used 'they' to speak about their partners to avoid outing themselves. That assocation has not been recognised by the young trans people, and it should be.

I watched a youtube video by a non binary person the other day talking about the Contrapoints drama. It was so weird because despite trying their best to look androgynous it was extremely obvious which sex they were (hint: it's the one that produces large gametes) but they kept talking about how, if they thought they were in a space that would be "unsafe" for NB people, they identified as male instead - a "cis" man if they thought they'd pass, or a transman if they thought they wouldn't. I thought that was fascinating. In a world where being trans is apparently the most vulnerable endangered group, this person thought they'd be safer claiming to be a trans man than a "cis" woman (which I can 100% guarantee is how everyone would have read them). Surely if you're in a place where it'd be dangerous to be openly NB, the safest thing to do would be to just use the pronouns that you pass as. For this person, that was very very clearly she/her. I wasn't sure if they were reeeeeally deluded over how masculine they looked (basically just a short hair cut and baggy top) or if they didn't actually care how people perceived them as long as it wasn't as a woman. They talked about being on T for years but not masculinising much, and I wondered if they decided to identify as NB because they realised they'd never pass as a man. The whole thing seemed pretty shit for them. The internalised misogyny was just dripping off them. Can't wait for this period in history to end, though I have a bad feeling it'll be replaced by something worse.

my pronouns are Bitch

And when the nieces and nephews are non-binary too?

"I am going to my sibling's offspring's Birthday party later on".

Missing the point of the thread, but I wonder how non binary people prefer to be called by their nieces and nephews...

I'd guess by their current non-binary choice of forename, 'aunt' and 'uncle' are irredeemably uncool and old.

Missing the point of the thread, but I wonder how non binary people prefer to be called by their nieces and nephews...

I have thought about this OP and realised that I only hear two people refer to me as 'she/her'.

They are dd when she is being rude about me to her friends or my friends and my dm when she is being (usually humourously) rude about me to the rest of my family.

Those are the only times I hear people use my third person pronouns and, given that they are both aiming to be rude anyway I'm not sure they would agree to xie or zer. I think I am doomed to having them control my pronouns. The oppression has only really just come home to me. Might need

True, Pota2 - though I think it's probably making people think that the only pronouns that exist are she, he and they. They are probably still woefully ignorant of reflexive pronouns, relative pronouns, demonstrative pronouns, interrogative pronouns etc, nit to mention subject and object pronouns. Sad that they are missing out. Apologies for grammar derail...

lazylinguist yeah at least it’s educating the nation about grammar. Although I fear that if you asked them what an adverb is, you’d get blank faces....

As a linguist I find it quite weird to hear people constantly banging on about pronouns, when a decade ago the average person wouldn't have had a clue what a pronoun was!

Someone said upthread that it used to be considered rude to use pronouns in front of people. That's not really true - firstly because I, we, they, it, which, who, myself etc are all pronouns too, and have never been considered rude. Secondly, it was only rude to refer to someone just with a pronoun without mentioning their name first. "Ask if Auntie Sue would like a cup of tea, as she's had a long journey" would surely have been perfectly fine.

I think anyone working in a health care setting should demand to be known as doctor. That would be great fun.

Surgeons wouldn't agree to it

On the matter of 'picking battles' - there's a simple way of deciding which projects to work on by plotting on a chart of importance versus difficulty. There's usually no reason not to address all the 'low hanging fruit' items, even if some are relatively trivial. You omit the ones which are both unimportant and difficult.