I've just been called a TERF...

We know that you can’t explain how a human being can change from one biological sex to the other, @Karkasaurus - that is why you won’t answer our questions.

We know that you cannot say anything to justify letting penis-owners into biological females’ spaces (changing rooms, rape crisis centres as staff, etc), or to justify letting them take over women’s sports, or women only shortlists, or women’s prizes in business or other arenas where women have fought for years to try to achieve parity, or to justify prescribing damaging medical treatment for children that can cause them to be permanently sterile, incapable of sexual fulfilment, with osteoporosis and decreased academic/intellectual capability. I don’t believe these things are OK, or that anyone can convince me otherwise. And I am sure you can’t - which is why you refuse to try.

Now, I think we'd all like to hear another repetition of the reasons why it's fabulous to be against trans people!

For women and girls, not against trans people.

Ever thought of doing a smidgen of research? At all?

What’s your ‘truth’ then? Do tell. You obviously believe it wholeheartedly. Please don’t keep it secret.

Diatribe:
a forceful and bitter verbal attack against someone or something

Seems to me it is the TRAs with the diatribe against those terrible TERFs that have concerns about the safety and dignity of women and girls.

Yes, please do try to pretend as much as possible that no one could possibly disagree with you.

Now, I think we'd all like to hear another repetition of the reasons why it's fabulous to be against trans people!

And GO

She knows anything she says with get ripped to shreds as completely inaccurate.

Leave her be. She obviously knows she is beaten. Bless.

Anyway... back to the grownups.

I'm not discussing the matter with you. But please don't let that stop you from writing your diatribes.

Ok. Thanks for the info.

What part of no didn't you get?

Come one. Just one bullet point? Just 3 words?

Can’t? You add nothing the the thread nor do you wish to. You have no argument and you know it.

Facts.

I'm not discussing the matter with you. But please don't let that stop you from writing your diatribes.

I wouldn't even bother to tell you to stop. You go right ahead with my blessing to spout whatever nonsense you want. But if you expect to post rubbish like this, don't be surprised to see a few scornful comments in response. Be realistic.

Realistic - oh my days.

I wouldn't even bother to tell you to stop. You go right ahead with my blessing to spout whatever nonsense you want. But if you expect to post rubbish like this, don't be surprised to see a few scornful comments in response. Be realistic.

”People are asking for your argument laid out - facts - not just ‘your all bigots’ which is hardly going to sway any discussion. So take a moment out of your busy schedule and write 3 bullet points:

‘Humans can change sex because...’”

I would be very interested to read what @Karkasaurus’ three bullet points would be, @LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD - it is the question they all want to dodge, isn’t it - how can a human being change from one biological sex to the other? After all, if I had plastic surgery to give me pointed furry ears and a tail, and said this meant I had BECOME a cat, no-one would tell me I was right and a human can change species - so how can some people believe you can change your biological sex?

I shall wait with baited breath for @Karkasaurus to come back and explain the science behind a biological Male turning into a biological female or vice versa.

Why do you keep trying to goad me into arguing with you when I've made it quite plain that I don't intend to?

Because you have made no point apart from 'stop being mean'?

It really is no surprise for a man to be told he is a man, no matter what he is wearing. For someone then informed of that fact, to burst forth with threats and/or violence, is their problem, not mine.

Why do you keep trying to goad me into arguing with you when I've made it quite plain that I don't intend to?

But it's simply that I don't have the time to discuss this with you

So the purpose of you being on the thread is....? Maybe bustle off and get on with what you're so busy doing, then.

You know what the most hilarious part about being called a TERF is for me?

I am not against trans people. At all.

In fact I support any person who breaks out of the highly troublesome gender stereotypes we have created in society.

I don't believe in gender.

Therefore I praise any man who wants to wear a dress. I commend women who let their natural hair grow free. I support any man who wishes to wear makeup. I support ay woman who wants to work construction.
Because all these things are available to both SEXES. There shouldn't be gender rules for each sex.

I do however draw the line at men being able to take on the legal status of a women. Our DNA and sex defines us and gives us certain legal protections.
We as humans are distinctly different in SEXES. It's a fact. A biological and social one.

Men and women as sexes are not interchangeable.

Men do not bear children. Women do not produce sperm.
Men have a immensely higher rate of rape and violence.

These things are simply facts and they are facts that mean women do need protection against them in many circumstances. As do children.

Is every trans man a threat? No.
Are biological men more likely to be a threat? Yes.
Does being a trans woman lower the risk of a biological man being a threat? No.

Do women deserve to feel safe in specified women only spaces? Yes.

Should a man be free to wear a dress if he wants?
Yes.
Should said man (providing he is an upstanding member of society with no previous convictions for assaults, sexual or otherwise) be allowed to wear a dress and be treated with respect for doing so? Yes.

Should he be allowed to be recognised legally as a woman and be allowed to integrate with every aspect of women's lives with out question, including unbridled access to women's services such as rape crisis, menstruation meetings, breast cancer survival groups and women's shelters?

NO.
No he shouldn't. Because he simply is not a biological woman and cannot be.

There is a place for transwomen in society. But it is not in women's spaces.

No one is asking you outside for a fight (that’s other people’s tactics).

People are asking for your argument laid out - facts - not just ‘your all bigots’ which is hardly going to sway any discussion. So take a moment out of your busy schedule and write 3 bullet points:

‘Humans can change sex because...’

Besides, you are well aware that many of the women here are saying ‘I have been called abusive names because I don’t believe that humans can change sex’. So coming on here just to throw in insults is doing what exactly (beyond proving their point)?

Why do you keep trying to goad me into arguing with you when I've made it quite plain that I don't intend to?

And I'm sure it would be awfully convenient if the reason for that was that there wasn't an argument against it. But it's simply that I don't have the time to discuss this with you, particularly since we both know you don't want to hear what I think; you want an opportunity to expound your own views once more.

But do go ahead and congratulate yourselves on what right thinking individuals you are without my participation.

as per the survey commissioned by Pink news well colour me rainbow shocked...

They made the mistake of spelling out the legal ramifications of self ID. Don't worry, they ran another less honest survey asking a meaningless question this year, to get the result they wanted. Normal service resumed (although they still only got 56% in favour). The original survey appears to have been memory holed by PN.

you do seem unable to support your views karkasaurus

maybe they're unsupportable?

as per the survey commissioned by Pink news well colour me rainbow shocked...

Yes because I said troll. And troll hunting is banned.

Not because of my views.

One of your posts has been deleted actually.

Funny how non of OUR posts have been deleted.

Tides are changing.

This shit will no longer be tolerated.