I've just been called a TERF...

Oh dear, I wrote terfly not terfy.
I'm an out and proud terf.

It's quite telling that on a thread about the word terf , the most deletions are for a person that's telling all these terfly women how awful and mean they are.
Karkasaurus
NEWSFLASH. human beings cannot change sex.
You really are doing Transpeople a disservice here, trans people exist, they are real people, they can probably do without your trans fucking wokey cokey goodwill and your determination to single them out as special, I'll bet most just want to get on with their lives without some fucking do gooder that is determined to raise their own awareness.
All people have their own battles to fight. Let them fight it.
This board is known as FWR, Feminist Women's Rights. That's why the posters on here fight over and over again to protect Women's rights,
In a way, it's interesting that you see fighting for women's rights as anti trans, that really shows where your priorities lie, I'll give you a clue, your internalised misogyny is showing, you're centering men in your version of feminism

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Kark, can you please tell me, what is it that makes that rapist a woman?

Saying that someone has to use a separate bathroom is not persecution

I'm not even saying TW have to use a 'separate' bathroom - if there were mixed sex facilities in addition to the single sex ones then I might well use the mixed sex as I'm sure karka would to. Single sex for those that need them, and mixed sex for anyone who doesn't want to use the one corresponding to their sex, or who isn't bothered either way, or parents with opposite sex kids etc etc - why paint that as a negative? (BTW, using horribly transphobic language like 'freak' - I assume trying to imply that's how we see trans people - is thoroughly disreputable tactic)

It's good that you didn't challenge the idea that you were ignoring or dismissing women's privacy, dignity and comfort. Or that transgenderism is a toxic sexist ideology.

When you run back and say "look, I told those other women off for you!", otoh, that can yield a response that some may find emotionally satisfying.

Can’t voice an opinion to the men. They might not like it. No dissent in the ranks.

If men are so dangerous, why is it OK for the ten percent of trans women who do pass to share a bathroom with the men? What about their safety? Why is that on women to accomadate them and not men? Surely the solution is to make mens toilets safer no? Educate men that violence against others is unacceptable. Go spout your shite to them.

Karka none of the many men I work with are criminals. I have never felt threatened by them. Yet we don’t share bathrooms or changing facilities. I wonder why that is.

Karka are you thick? Nobody is persecuting anyone. Saying that someone has to use a separate bathroom is not persecution. If it were, it would be equal persecution to say non trans men cannot use women’s bathrooms either.

And we have explained that it’s not about criminality any more than not allowing non trans men in. Some of them are criminal but most are not. It’s about privacy and dignity and someone else’s identity (which doesn’t match their physical appearance) makes no odds.

Then we disagree. Excellent.

I don't agree that they are less safe.

I think ignoring or dismissing the privacy and dignity and comfort of women and girls, as well as making them less safe, to prop up a toxic, sexist ideology is rather spiteful and unpleasant so I guess that is a bit of an impasse.

No, I haven't heard of this person.

It's this crazy thing called being friends with trans people in real life. It's quite astonishing. You should try it

Course she’s heard of McKinnon. Such a crock of shite. Anyway, makes no difference whether you have or not. I am talking about your ilk, whether or not you are personally acquainted.

So where do you get information from?

I simply don't agree with persecuting trans people over their supposed predisposed criminality. I think it's all rather spiteful and unpleasant.

Kark, what is it about this rapist that would make you, and anyone, think he is a woman?

I mean, there must be something, bearing in mind he was put into a female prison.

What was that thing that made people decide that it would be a safe thing to do? I can't see it, maybe you can.

I don't go on Twitter. I think it's ghastly. And I have much better things to do than embroil myself with one or the other side of extremism, which is all Twitter seems to support.

Oh come on. How can you not have head of the cyclist if you have such an interest in the topic? Don’t you know who they are? The one who had a spat with Martina Navratilova (that’s a very famous lesbian tennis player for those too young to remember).

If the argument is that transwomen should be allowed into women's toilets because they are safer, then other groups who are at higher risk, such as gay men and the elderly should be allowed in on the same basis. Reductio ad absurdum, if anyone can enter women's toilets, then they are no longer safer.

If the argument is instead that transwomen should be allowed into women's toilets because they identify as women and would feel uncomfortable without the validation of their adopted gender, then this need for validation should be weighed against both the feelings of discomfort of the natal women whose space they are entering, and, since transwomen retain male patterns of criminal behaviour, the increased risk to women of them entering those spaces. It is absolutely wrong to pretend there is no conflict of interest under this interpretation.

Karka I don’t wish to be disparaging but you don’t have the intellect for this debate. You can back up none of your points with anything other than ‘you’re mean’.

If you genuinely want to help trans people, campaign for third spaces. Spend your energy on that rather than telling women what they should think.

No, I don't know them. Is this a Twitter thing?

You've never heard of Rachel McKinnon? You're in for a treat.