Man convicted for upskirting woman on London Underground

Good

Did they need to report the full extent of how his life has been ruined

It’s smacked of silly man made a silly mistake being a perv for a few minutes and now look what’s happened

He isn’t a silly man he is a man that felt he could treat women as he pleases and as if he hadn’t done this many times before

Good news (for once)

Its disgusting, siko's like him need locking up

Good to have some progress with BTP & court taking it seriously. for the victim.

Hopefully the new specific offence will raise awareness of this crime and bystanders will now be alert to suspicious behaviour on the tube and think “could that person be upskirting”
Prior to this new “specific” offence coming in BTP have successfully prosecuted for Outraging Public Decency (sexual offences sadly pretty common particularly on the tube) and that is the offence used prior to this for “upskirting”

Totally the first time. Yeah. Cool story bro.

I mean just how fucking stupid do these men think we are?

And yeah of course it hasn't been a brilliant life moment dumbass. That is what happens when you abuse people and get caught.

Like that twat a couple of weeks ago who we were expected to think was a Nobel Prize winner just because he got a good mark on his GCSE Chemistry or something. Fucking teeniest tiniest little violin for you.

Good. Creepy fucker.

The perpetrators may justify themselves by thinking that if the woman doesn't know, she's not harmed.

If that is their weaselly thought process, then they need strongly reminding that harm is done to all the women and girls who have to modify their behaviour to avoid being victimised. Girls who are told not to wear skirts, women who stop using gyms or public loos that they can no longer trust as safe spaces.

I was goosed at my own door once, by a man who has form for it (he did it to a TV reporter once so it's on film.) It was the most nothing of moments, obviously I didn't report it. I doubt he thinks of it as a crime in any way.

Except that 12 years later I am still tense standing at my own front door, every single fucking day.

I suspect the reason these perverts believe it's a victimless crime is because their prey are unidentifiable. Women appear to be just a collection parts to them.

The ease of secreting cameras in loos and changing-rooms is one of the reasons women in South Korea took to the streets recently. I feel like doing the same...

Hurrah for Inspector Scottow though.....

Interesting how they mention his life is ruined but not that of his completely innocent wife and child. I hope she LTB. He obviously decided that getting his jollies was more important than his life, marriage and career.

What a piece of despicable scum.

'Experts have told The Independent growing numbers of women are being covertly filmed on spy cameras as covert recording technology becomes cheaper and more readily available.
Peeping toms are fitting clandestine cameras in rental and student properties or public spaces including toilets, swimming pool cubicles, changing rooms and tanning salons, in order to obtain explicit photos of women without gaining their permission.'

All made easier by the rise in mixed sex facilities, of course.

He's the fourth so far.
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/upskirting-law-convictions-legislation-cps-gina-martin-a9120481.html

That bit made me suspect he's negotiated his way out of charges before.

What an amazing coincidence, the first time he's ever 'upskirted' he happened to be caught by an inspector

Except it was actually the first and second times, minimum - this clearly wasn't one opportunistic moment of madness on the tube. He followed the woman and did it again. Deliberate, entirely premeditated. He was shocked and said sorry because he got caught. He tried to worm out of it by asking if he could take a caution - he obviously didn't think it was a serious matter or consider the impact on his victim, he was thinking only of the impact on himself.

What an amazing coincidence, the first time he's ever 'upskirted' he happened to be caught by an inspector

I might be a bit slow but I'd never really thought of someone filming up my skirt on an up escalator

Why are we supposed to care if this man has destroyed his own life by committing a crime? He should have thought of that before he started sticking his phone up women's skirts.

Despicable footage of him running away after court. You commit a man's crime? Walk away with your head up like a man.

I was on the train the other day after a long journey presenting at a conference. I was wearing a knee-length dress, ankle boots and sheer hold-ups. I was near my stop and stood up to get my suitcase, then temporarily sat down sideways on the seat as I was about to get off. As I was tired, holding my bag and the handle of my suitcase, I must have unwittingly sat down with my legs slightly apart. The young man sitting across the aisle looked at me and I am fairly sure he smirked. Obviously I rapidly closed my legs, but it bothered me enough that I still remember it! The thought of him taking a snap is horrible.

There's no such a thing as a victimless crime. We criminalise things because they harm or endanger others. If a drunk driver gets home without an accident, they still put the other road users at risk and those other road users are victims of reckless endangerment. A tax evader harms us all by stealing from public funds.

The only way that it's possible for a man to consider his crime "victimless" is if he doesn't regard his victim as a person. When we talk about objectification, this is what we mean: he's seeing women as objects to be used instead of humans who will be harmed by his actions.

But reading her impact statement - poor woman. It really brings home how this sort of shit screws you over psychologically.

Yes. And his mitigation basically being "boohoo my wife got cross about it".

Given the impact statement, I'd liked to have seen a jail sentence.

I hope it does set a precedent - but I doubt it.

Did you see the thread on a safeguarding talk where the trainer made light of upskirting?

Perhaps now the OP can point the trainer to this story and remind the trainer that not only is this a disturbing act, but that it is also a criminal offence.

What a creep. So he went onto the tube ready to take a picture up a woman’s skirt

What sort of man does that
He must have been thinking about all morning when he was getting ready to go to work ,walking to the tube and then selecting his victim

And he said he had never done it before !

Shit why do men does this creepy stuff

A good result. Man pays the price for his crimes rather than getting away with it.
I wonder how difficult it will be to prosecute without witnesses though.