Call to support women MPs in face of abuse and death threats to family

Tottie The full parliamentary debate is streamed live on parliamentlive.tv

Thanks yes it was on in the background while I was cooking so I caught bits and I did record it. I’ll watch it later.

Maybe I’d have been more shocked if I saw it before I read the reaction.

The people vs parliament has to be the stupidist rhetoric ever.

Just imagine if it came to pass.

This wasn't a Billy Bunter performance.

I'm not surprised that Johnson has it in him to behave like this.

I'm horrified that he – that any Prime Minister – actually has behaved like this. It wasn't an isolated phrase. He spent, as PP said, hours using incendiary language and framing the current situation as the people against Parliament.

You're quite right, Tottie, that one possible consequence is civil unrest. And Johnson last night was carefully feeding those flames.

Another possible consequence is another murderous assault on an MP or their family: as stated above, several have had serious threats from people using the same language Johnson was employing.

It's only a few months since a far-right extremist was jailed for a plot to murder Rosie Cooper MP.
Jack Renshaw: MP death plot neo-Nazi jailed for life
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-48306380

A judge at the Old Bailey said Renshaw, who earlier admitted preparing an act of terrorism, wanted to "replicate" the murder of Jo Cox.
Renshaw made a Nazi salute towards supporters as he was led to the cells from the dock.

“He is also a calm character who has never resorted to personal insults. we need more of this right now whatever your politics.”

Are we forgetting “Stupid Woman” by JC himself then?

Boris has always been a philandering, chauvinistic Billy Bunter type character.

Why are we all getting dragged down this side path of faux shock that Boris is Borising as per normal?

Actually, not as normal. Remember his remarks about pn*s? Or the debacle where he likened hijabis to letter boxes? “Surrender bill” is very mild for him.

I can’t see how any faction can possibly think the word “surrender” is particularly comment-worthy, let alone the overriding issue du jour.

Bearing in mind that this isn’t the nadir. This whole Brexit dispute could conceivably end in civil unrest. Also bearing in mind he could prorogue parliament again so time is precious.

Maybe I’m numb to it or maybe I’m missing something but I’m astounded.

(They don’t really need to say it loud, they do a particular wink wink to fellow mysoginist and they pass the message across)

It’s the old trick of dismissing complaints because “she’s an hysterical woman”

"I have to say, Mr Speaker, I've never heard such humbug in all my life."

AKA 'Well it hasn't happened to me so it can't be true"

Corbyn's policies are actually very popular with most people, that's why labour did far better in the previous election when we got to the point where the news was forced to report their actual policies.

climate change is the no 1 concern in the country now according to polling (for whatever polling's worth) and labours new policies are streets ahead on that

He is also a calm character who has never resorted to personal insults. we need more of this right now whatever your politics.

Agree on all the rest of your post though! How Johnson can claim to be "for the people" when he's unelected and "anti establishment" when he IS the establishment is just horrifying. the doublethink.

Women MPs, especially those who are most vocal against Brexit, have been receiving horrific threats of violence from the right

Ann Soubry saying her mum - who must be in her 80s or 90s - has been threatened

Jo Swinson's child has been threatened

Dianne Abbott has long received abuse, threats and insults

Boris Johnson, our PM, kept saying in the House of Commons last night that the only way to stop these threats and this atmosphere of violence was for Brexit to happen

He said that was the way to honour the memory of Jo Cox...
Jo Cox who was murdered by a far right terrorist, angered by her campaigning against Brexit

So PM Johnson condoning and using these threats against women, saying its their own fault for not doing what he wants

We have a sociopath as PM, who condones and mocks threats & violence against women
Who gaslights, who tries to use these theats to get his own way

Many of his MPs support his behaviour and join in.

Very dangerous times for women who dare to become MPs and say things that the ruling hard right government want squashed

I think the People Vs Parliament campaign by Boris is dangerous. It doesn't help the electorate understand the issues, but treats the electorate like idiots who he thinks will respond to a few WW2 type
catch phrases. Let's see if he is right.

It is also bizarre considering the general public did not vote for him. He became PM through the parliamentary system and a small homogenous group of conservative party members.

He then expelled MPs , losing the majority and blamed parliament for the resulting turmoil caused by him.

I think Boris is dangerous and I don't think he is pro women, or working class people he is just pro Boris and his own ambitions.

And on the other side we have Corbyn who is determined not to be prime minister by rolling out policies that do not appeal to the majority of the electorate.

Somehow we need to get moderates to join all major political parties to temper the extreme elements who seem to be running the show. The problem is that moderates like me don't fit anywhere anymore.

BJ was systematically choosing incendiary language, using metaphors that promote violence and dismissive of any appeal (mostly by female MPs) to moderate the tone.

^This.

I think it is really important to take note of the way some, not all, Brexiters are framing the culprits of the stalemate over leaving as being MPs.

This is also being whipped up by some tabloids and that Boris et al are trying to portray themselves as "the people" against Parliament.

And this at a time when the Commons has already had investigations into online hate against MPs, and particularly women MPs.

Irrespective of my views on Brexit and think the things that are being said are an incitement. I know people who think we should just leave not because they support Brexit put are genuinely frightened about violence if it doesn't.

But of all the outrageous things Johnson has done is him responding to someone reminding MPs of the death of Jo Cox at a time tempers were rising because of the Brexit campaign.

Compared to Cameron's calm down dear this is just beyond being unacceptable.

He should be totally ashamed. And if his doting father was of any use he should really give him a lecture.

I read somewhere that with our unwritten constituion a lot of how out system works depends on the "good chap" principle. ie that MPs will do the decent thing.

But Johnson has shown that we are way beyond that.

And he really does seem impervious to his complacent sense of superiority. The worst example of the product of a public school.

And worse still there are still enough forelock tuggers in this country who admire this ego tripping bully boy behaviour and will support him as they somehow think this is "standing up for Britain".

Repugnant.

Geoffrey Cox’s appallingly nasty and ill-tempered performance earlier has been forgotten already in the wake of the disdain shown by the PM today.

Thanks cherin. That’s the one I just read.

Maybe I’ve read too much Hansard, but “surrender” doesn’t seem particularly egregious to me. I’ll watch it if it’s on Parliament channel later.

The general levels of bad temper and ill will are worrying, though.

Threats to family members are appalling, and everyone invoking the ghost of Jo Cox every hour, on the hour, is out of hand and disrespectful.

If something needs to be done about inaction over threats, let me know where to sign and who to lobby.

Jeremy Corbyn isn’t any better

What? He’s a damn sight more moderate in his language, which is the point of this thread.

When mrs Sheriff did her emotional plea he literally replied “mr speaker I’ve never heard such a humbug”. Typical bully behaviour.

In reality it went on an on for hours. On multiple occasions BJ referred to the Benn Bill as the “surrender” bill, sometimes with an ironic smirk, the language was full of reference to “traitors” and “betrayal” and “surrending to the EU”, “fight to deliver on the will of the people” etc etc. Gloria de Piero also intervened saying something along the line “you know I don’t like working with you, but I’ve joined a cross party committee, how can we work together if you keep on stoking animosity and confrontation instead of cooperation? Tune the language down”

tottie this is the bbc summary

MPs' fury at Boris Johnson's 'dangerous language' - BBC News
apple.news/A_GrnrCTER0-jLSkerRF0wA

does it make any difference if you hear abuse in multiple events? Does it make it more acceptable?
I think the point of OP is that (for those who watched) some members of the HoC today and in particular BJ was systematically choosing incendiary language, using metaphors that promote violence and dismissive of any appeal (mostly by female MPs) to moderate the tone...in respect of the real threats that they receive in their real life. The Pm gets police escort- the MPs don’t.
He really behaved like a nasty bully, the “humbug” comment made my blood boil. It’s like when you suffer sexual harassment and others shrug and say “toughen up, love, it was meant like a compliment”. No it wasn’t and you should know it. And you dismissing it makes you an accomplice.

He did it on purpose to deviate the attention. It’s not anymore on the front page as “beaten by courts” but as “Boris doubles up”. Still, it’s not fair to use verbal abuse and vitriolic language, particularly in this point in time.

I’ve read the BBC link and watched the video in that but I’m still confused.

Is there an article or link that lays out the whole saga from beginning to end? The connections between it all and exactly what was said?

Happy to do anything to support women MPs facing harassment but I’d like to fully understand the background.

He is a disgrace. I'm so sorry for all of the MPs (and their families) on both sides of the debate who have been threatened in any way. There is no place for that in a democracy.

I knew Jo Cox at university. I was shocked by Boris's dismissive response in the House of Commons today.

He appears to have no moral compass and no conscience. That's a frightening trait in a leader. However, he seems to have tremendous popular support.

I'm deeply concerned about where our politics is heading.