Anal sex for 13 year olds? Warwickshire again...

Given that most 13 years olds are still in the "ew, icky" stage in general the idea that they'd spontaneously decide to give felching a go without prompting by creepy older men is ludicrous. Which is no doubt why the creepy older men are trying so hard to make it seem like a standard part of any sexual encounter.

I think the people who commission this kind of material need to bear in mind that some men get off on just talking to kids about sex, and that allowing them to do so is basically facilitating their having a wank at the expense of students.

Felching would not be safe for work...but totally fine for 12 year old girls.

That's how it works right?

No please don't Google it.

I have heard it...but I can’t remember what it is

I think ive blocked it out

No tracey!!!!!!

I don't think I've even heard of Felching... is it safe to Google?

I'm not a parent, but teenagers absolutely do not need to be learning about niche porn related sexual acts! These sexual practices come with a level of risk and adults can choose to experiment and indulge in them if they wish, but teenagers really have no need for this sort of explicit information.

These practices are not a part of the vast majority of adults' sex lives and discussing such types of sex will only serve to confuse children and make them assume it's something that all adults engage in when this is clearly not the case!
Standard PIV sex is stressful, terrifying and embarrassing enough for teenagers, especially girls. They are not in a position to assert their boundaries in kink and fetish situations. Let teenagers be teenagers and let them learn the basics and understand that they can refuse any sexual act at any time. That is the most important thing that girls and boys need to learn - how to say no.

They have their whole life ahead of them as adults to experiment with more risky stuff if they ever feel like it - and most folk don't.

Felching and fisting..wtf? I'm open to many sorts of sexual things as an adult but that's stuff even I don't feel inclined to go near, and people think it's ok to put this sort of pressure and anxiety on young people who haven't even sexually and mentally matured yet?!

*this guy excuse for a man

Thos giy needs investigating, and so do the organisations that are condoning it.

The people involved, tracked through to it going live on the internet. Those involved are responsible for serious breaches of safeguarding.

Just where to start with those that, having read it, think it's ok. ... doesn't look good, if these people are parents and think its ok for their own dc.

All for fear of being called 'prude', in the name of 'education'

Gtf

We're getting told off by people on the AIBU thread for calling it grooming.

A lot of people find it very uncomfortable to contemplate the idea that they might have been groomed themselves.

Britain traditionally has a very uptight hush-hush "no sex please, we're British" attitude which I don't think is helpful.
WTF?
So...if people are horrified by young children being introduced to perverted sexual practices by adults it's because we are uptight British prudes and, what? Ought to be more free and easy like the Forrin?
Are you serious? I have lived in different countries and been married to 2 men from, what you might think of as more more openly sensual cultures. I can tell you right now that all that means is that they are maybe a bit more affectionate, warmer, more romantic. It certainly doesn't mean that they also wouldn't be utterly disgusted with this garbage.
I also have a Scandinavian friend with a teenage daughter. My friend is very relaxed about nudity and talking about sex, but that comes with a very healthy sense of boundaries and self respect. NO WAY would she accept anyone telling her daughter how to have anal at 13.
I just cannot beleive anyone could possibly justify this. Really gobsmacked.

"The law states that below the age of 16 children are not able to give informed consent."

I agree.

I also think asking a girl to have a think about why she wouldn’t be comfortable with a male doctor is implying she is wrong

Why does she have to justify that to anyone and why does she even have to have a think about it

Is it not cool to say that you don’t want a male doctor doing a intimate examination cos that seems what was said

I object to safeguarding for teenagers being equated with up tight hush hush no sex please, we're British

We used to protect children under 16 from sexual contact (and older for certain groups). Why have things changed to the extent that people believe it's OK to argue that children below the age of consent should be groomed by this inappropriate material? The law states that below the age of 16 children are not able to give informed consent. It's not negotiable yet people post on here are arguing it ought to be??

I don't think most 13 year olds would, of their own accord, fancy giving felching a go, even though they haven't heard of it. Putting out information implying that it's just something that people like to do is normalising some pretty niche behaviour. When you add that to the breaking down boundaries stuff (eg why do you feel uncomfortable about porn? Stop being such uptight killjoy girls!) then you're on pretty dangerous territory.

The only thing that 13 year olds truly need to know is that 1) sex can lead to pregnancy and stds and 2) you don't have to do one single thing that you're not comfortable with.

They do need to know about how to take care of themselves with sex and relationships but do they need to have fetishes and perversions taught to them?

I'm going to play devil's advocate here and my view may not be popular, but is it possible that they aren't encouraging or condoning underage sex in any way, but are simply accepting that there are teens out there who are going to engage in sex anyway and ensuring that if they must do so then things like condoms and "harm reduction" advice is available?

I think it's comparable (kindof) to illegal drugs like cannabis etc. I don't recommend anyone uses an illegal drug but I do accept there are lots of people out there who will do so. And I do think it's important we have orgs ("Talk to Frank" is one of them) where people can find out information on drugs including how to use them as safely as possible.

And I think it's very important young people feel comfortable to talk about and seek advice about topics such as sex and drugs. Britain traditionally has a very uptight hush-hush "no sex please, we're British" attitude which I don't think is helpful.

This guy that wrote this drivel needs to be on the receiving end of a teenage girl sneer and “think it’s just you mate” comment so he can slink off back under the rock from whence he came

It is definitely grooming, what's more it's weird. I can't imagine why children need to know about anal sex - learning to enjoy it, etc. If I bashed my head against a brick wall twenty times a day I might start liking it but it wouldn't make it right.

So, for example, here is the Duluth wheel. Developed to analyse one-on-one domestic abuse. It's excellent for understanding the dynamics of one-on-one controlling abuse. But look again: is it equally useful for understanding the dynamics of extremist transactivism? I think yes, it is.

We're getting told off by people on the AIBU thread for calling it grooming.

Too close to the bone, eh, AIBU.

Dog - grooming is traditionally seen as the actions of one individual gradually seeking control over another individual (usually one with less power and/or status).

Here, we're taking the models and language developed by child protection and the women's sector to describe the ways in which queer theory has gained pernicious influence and is using the same tactics and strategies but on a societal rather than an individual level.

So here - no need for an individual to groom a child: institutions have already done it.

It's the same with, say, complaining about the mods here on FWR acting as agents of coercive control on a wider scale than the one-on-one domestic abuse it was developed for.

Or the ways in which we apply the concepts of gaslighting and DARVO to transactivism - again, language taken from the women's sector analysing one-one domestic abuse and recognising the same dynamics and strategies in a social movement as a whole.

Open your eyes, AIBU.

We're getting told off by people on the AIBU thread for calling it grooming.

Yes littlbrowndog, that's how I understand it.

That normalising the abnormal is breaking down a girl's natural resistance to something dangerous, coercive, unpleasant or that she doesn't want.

The example above of sexting demonstrates it.

Sexting is illegal and is generally intimidatory to girls.

If this information is making it all fun and games, and isn't it a laugh, just don't let your parents know - that's red flags everywhere. Making girls feel that if they find it scary and intimidating, it is they who have the problem. Boundary erosion.

So is grooming where stuff like this is normalised.
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I really didn’t know that but now I can see this
And the bit where if a girl only wants to see a female doctor the girl should have a think about that
That’s implying that the girl is in the wrong

SO FUCK OFF WARWICKSHIRE, YOU GROOMING FUCKWITS.
I’m rather liking that.