Anal sex for 13 year olds? Warwickshire again...

Yes to a teen version of the Freedom programme. It can have a cartoon on the front of a teen girl with a speech bubble saying what Kittens said:

"Try to choke me and I will call the police on your misogynistic, porn addicted arse."

Yes.

the actual harm reduction here would be to start a teen version of the Freedom Programme that would enable girls to assert their own boundaries and teach boys how to respect them

THIS

The link has gone but Going off the rails is still a partnered with the Sex Education Forum, the opportunity to link with other education authorities remains.
Organisations such as the Sex Education Forum who are instrumental in pushing statutory RSE need to be engaging with parents to ensure their agenda is not influenced by people with dubious agendas.

looked into Fetish. That was a very serious attempt to normalise the abnormal.

I found that truly bizarre. They explain it as if it's a phobia of wasps that you associate with yellow buttons, without relating it to sex at all.

It is good news that the link has gone surely? Someone clearly having a 'we did what?!' moment?

I said this earlier but again, those who approved this for use in schools need to be publicly named. The Queer Theory Warriors attempt to name and shame women for such shocking offenses as, say, expressing concern about their daughters having to share a changing room with adult males. Time for a "right back atcha", I think.

what idiots on the safeguarding team thought this was ok?

They are not idiots, they know what they are doing.

Ok, I had a look at F for felching. Threw up in my mouth a bit, then looked into Fetish. That was a very serious attempt to normalise the abnormal. Grooming in plain sight, dumbing it down, dismissing it. This is queer theory. I can't believe this passed, what idiots on the safeguarding team thought this was ok?

I knew, but I am 46, not 13.

I'll get on it Rufus

Posing it as a "so this might be coming to our area soon, just looking for thoughts" question might be interesting.

I knew too. Big gold star for us.

But there are loads of posts from people saying they don't or didn't know. Posters who I would say were neither stupid nor naive. Which casts doubt on the continual assertion on Twitter and AIBU that 'kids are going to find out about this stuff anyway and this is the best way'.

Should I do a quick check on my ds's Reception parents' WhatsApp group?

Yes

Do that

Then come back and tell us how it goes...

(JOKE!)

I'm going to play devil's advocate here

But you're not, are you? Who here has objected to sensible harm reduction advice being given to teens? Nobody.

It is not "harm reduction" to teach girls that an activity is super duper and cool and normal when study after study shows that they are regularly performing sex acts that they don't like and are being pressured into.

The actual harm reduction here would be to start a teen version of the Freedom Programme that would enable girls to assert their own boundaries and teach boys how to respect them.

No sex education programme for minors should be framed around an acceptance of porn culture.

That going off the rails link for 0-5yo is a bit, umm. Hugging is a sexual thing in 4yo?

Well i know what felching is so I'm not sure what your point is.

I can't find the advice about anal on the link, can anyone point me in the right direction (no pun intended).

There is a section called baby making machinery, i kept thinking the link was broken as the page that came up said 'guys. Spunk and sperm' . Eventually realised that female reproduction was after. That is interesting.

Try to choke me and I will call the police on your misogynistic, porn addicted arse.

I'm a bit confused.

Kids are going to ask about these things right? That is what people are saying on AIBU and Twatter. And it is better for them to find out from the nice man who is engaged in spreading the knowledge right?

But lots of adults here don't actually know what some of these things are. So they never asked, or googled, until prompted to do so by the nice man writing about it.

So how can both of those things be true?

Or will kids not actually spontaneously google 'felching' unless prompted?

Or is it maybe just MN people who don't know what felching is? Should I do a quick check on my ds's Reception parents' WhatsApp group?

The Sex Education Forum campaigned for statutory RSE and now provide extensive training for teachers. They list goingofftherails as a partner .Going off the rails has a seriously concerning view of sexual behaviours and children.
www.goingofftherails.co.uk/healthy-sexual-development/

Organisations spear heading social change that denies parental rights must be held to account when they then legitimise providers such as Goingofftherails.

Porn is not real life

This! ^

So, I'm in my mid-thirties and divorced. Currently single but dating though not really looking for anything all too serious. I'll freely admit to being "married" to my career at this point.

Getting back into the dating scene after my divorce, having married very young, was a shock!

I honestly don't think the things that are considered "par for the course" nowadays were when I was last dating around.

I mean, anal? Fisting? Choking?

Sorry, but, like, FUCK, NO WAY IN HELL!!!

I'm not a prude, actually. It's just that I happen to expect sex to be enjoyable to me, too.

Thing is that teen boys have always had checklists of things to try.
In my day it was quite tame.
These days they get a smorgasboard of things to put on their to do lists.

Other thing is girls like to try stuff too too see what the fuss is about... shouldn't be forgotten. This needs bearing in mind as its why the subtle or not so subtle coercion from teen boys to give it a go, often works.

Difference between then and now, with the porn. Is it's all about male pleasure and orgasm. And dominance. I started my sexually active days late 80s when there was still a thing around mutual pleasure. And female orgasm. Mainstream porn now is all about male sexual dominance. And discomfort or pain for the woman seems to be sexy. A validation of masculinity.

What they need to be telling them is

Porn is not real life
Some acts are more 'advanced' than others and if got wrong can cause injury or worse
Boys and girls need to understand what coercion looks like and is not on
That sex is about mutual pleasure

Of course facts about age of consent, std, contraception should be shared.

Dangers of images being shared re legality plus once it's out there it can go anywhere

Is there more?

Going to catch up on thread now. Felching for 12yo and no saying no to make docs wtf

Creepy old man writes wank matter to groom young teens and tweens.

Yup. And the thing is even the kids themselves know it They would see any adult trying to chat to them about this stuff as a fucking nonce. Because they are. Or they are a nonce's clueless handmaiden.

I think the people who commission this kind of material need to bear in mind that some men get off on just talking to kids about sex, and that allowing them to do so is basically facilitating their having a wank at the expense of students.

Yes.

Just go to the respectyourself.com website tracey. The 'sextionary' will explain all. Soon you'll be as up to speed as all modern thirteen year olds apparently need to be.